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Walnut Park, California, United States
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 Lat: 33.97N, Lon: 118.22W
Wx Zone: CAZ041 ICAO Used: KCQT
Area Discussion for County Warning Area LOX:
FXUS66 KLOX 262144
AFDLOX

SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
145 PM PST THU NOV 26 2009

.SYNOPSIS...

WARM TEMPERATURES AND LIGHT OFFSHORE WINDS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH 
TODAY. FRIDAY WILL BEGIN THE TRANSITION TO A COOLING TREND AS 
LOW PRESSURE BRINGS ONSHORE FLOW THROUGH SATURDAY ALONG WITH A 
CHANCE OF SHOWERS. SUNDAY IS EXPECTED TO BRING ANOTHER ROUND OF 
OFFSHORE WINDS WITH MODERATE WARMING LASTING INTO MID WEEK.

&&

.SHORT TERM (TODAY-SUN)...ONE LAST DAY OF WARM OFFSHORE FLOW TODAY 
WITH LOWER ELEVATION HIGHS IN THE 80S AND GENERALLY LIGHTER AND MORE 
ISOLATED NORTHEAST WINDS. ALTHOUGH GRADIENTS WILL STILL BE OFFSHORE 
FRIDAY MORNING, THE AMOUNT WILL BE ABOUT HALF OF TODAY AND GRADIENTS 
WILL BE TRENDING STRONGLY ONSHORE THROUGH THE DAY. THIS IS REFLECTED 
REALLY WELL IN THE 950 MB TEMP/WIND PATTERN FOR TOMORROW WHICH SHOWS 
TEMPERATURES ACTUALLY FALLING THROUGH THE DAY AS WINDS SHIFT TO 
ONSHORE. AS A RESULT, HIGHS FRIDAY WILL BE ABOUT 10-15 DEGREES 
COOLER THAN TODAY. WENT AHEAD AND KEPT IN THE LOW CLOUDS FOR THE 
CENTRAL COAST TONIGHT AS SAT IMAGERY SHOWS THEM NOT TOO FAR OFFSHORE 
AND ONSHORE TRENDS SHOULD HELP THEM ADVANCE TOWARDS THE COAST 
OVERNIGHT. PROBABLY STILL TOO MUCH OFFSHORE FLOW FRIDAY MORNING 
THOUGH TO ALLOW CLOUDS TO DEVELOP SOUTH OF PT CONCEPTION.

THE UPPER LOW THAT IS CURRENTLY CENTERED JUST OFFSHORE OF THE WA 
COAST WILL START TO DROP SOUTH TONIGHT AND FRIDAY. THE TRAJECTORY OF 
THIS LOW AS IT MOVES SOUTH OVER THE NEXT 36 TO 48 HOURS WILL BE 
CRITICAL IN DETERMINING THE IMPACTS FOR OUR AREA. ALTHOUGH THE MODEL 
DISAGREEMENTS ARE MINOR IN TERMS OF DISTANCE, EVEN MINOR 
DISCREPANCIES CAN LEAD TO MAJOR CHANGES IN THE WEATHER. HENCE THE 
RATHER UNCERTAIN AND WISHY-WASHY FORECAST. THE 18Z NAM WAS SOMEWHAT 
ENCOURAGING IN THAT IT ACTUALLY RESEMBLED THE PATH SHOWN BY THE GFS 
AND ECMWF, THAT IS A MORE INSIDE PATH. SO AT LEAST NOW WE'RE SEEING 
SOMEWHAT BETTER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MODELS. THE INSIDE PATH WOULD 
BE A WINDIER BUT DRIER SCENARIO, WITH THE BEST CHANCES FOR PRECIP 
ALONG THE NORTH FACING MOUNTAIN SLOPES AND INTERIOR SLO COUNTY. OUR 
FORECASTS HAVE BEEN TRENDING THIS DIRECTION ALREADY SO I DIDN'T NEED 
TO MAKE MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS. HOWEVER, THIS PATH WILL RESULT IN THE 
COLD AIR CORE MOVING RIGHT OVERHEAD AS THE LOW TRACKS SOUTH. WHEN 
THIS HAPPENS, A SHOWER COULD DEVELOP JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE SO SLIGHT 
CHANCE POPS LOOK GOOD FOR EVEN LA/VENTURA COUNTY COAST AND VALLEYS. 
AND CAN'T RULE OUT SOME CONVECTION WITH THE LOW CENTER, THOUGH 
THUNDERSTORMS ARE NOT CURRENTLY PART OF THE OFFICIAL FORECAST.

WITH THE COLD CORE OVERHEAD SAT MORNING SNOW LEVELS WILL DROP QUITE 
LOW, POSSIBLY TO BETWEEN 3500 AND 4000 FEET. IMPACTS ACROSS THE 
GRAPEVINE AND INTERSTATE 5 COULD BE SIGNIFICANT SATURDAY MORNING IF 
ENOUGH UPSLOPE FLOW DEVELOPS TO HELP ENHANCE THE PRECIP THERE.

SHOWER CHANCES SHOULD BE ENDING SATURDAY AFTERNOON MOST AREAS EXCEPT 
THE MOUNTAINS. PROBABLY ANOTHER 5-10 DEGREE DROP IN HIGHS SAT, AND 
POSSIBLY AS MUCH AS 20-25 DEGREES COOLER IN THE MOUNTAINS. 

NORTH/NORTHEAST FLOW WILL DEVELOP BEHIND THE TROF PASSAGE LATE 
SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY. THE 18Z NAM IS STILL SHOWING A PRETTY SIZABLE 
AMOUNT OF WRAP AROUND MOISTURE EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. THE COMBINATION 
OF THE MOISTURE AND GOOD UPSLOPE FLOW COULD GENERATE SOME DECENT 
PRECIP ACROSS THE NORTH FACING LA COUNTY MOUNTAINS AND POSSIBLY 
VENTURA COUNTY AND THE ANTELOPE VALLEY AS WELL. ALTHOUGH THE COLDEST 
AIR WILL HAVE SHIFTED SOUTH BY THAT TIME, ENOUGH COLD AIR SHOULD 
REMAIN TO KEEP SNOW LEVELS AROUND 4000 FT, WITH POTENTIALLY 
SIGNIFICANT SNOW IN THE LOCAL MOUNTAINS. WILL HAVE TO KEEP A CLOSE 
EYE ON THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW MODEL RUNS TO SEE IF THE NAM CONTINUES 
TO INDICATE THIS PATTERN DEVELOPING. THE GFS WAS QUITE A BIT DRIER 
BUT STILL HAD DECENT NORTHEAST FLOW.

ELSEWHERE, THE NORTHEAST WINDS SHOULD KEEP IT DRY AND GENERALLY 
CLEAR SOUTH AND WEST OF THE MOUNTAINS. DESPITE THE OFFSHORE FLOW 
DEVELOPING, TEMPS WILL REMAIN QUITE COOL WITH HIGHS MOSTLY IN THE 
60S ON SUNDAY AND BREEZY IN MANY AREAS.

.LONG TERM (MON-THU)...WARMING TREND TO CONTINUE MONDAY AND TUESDAY 
UNDER WEAK TO MODERATE OFFSHORE FLOW. AIRMASS DOESN'T WARM UP QUITE 
AS MUCH AS IT HAS WITH THE CURRENT OFFSHORE EVENT SO HIGHS SHOULD 
TOP OUT MOSTLY IN THE 70S AT LOWER ELEVATIONS WITH LOCALLY WINDY 
CONDITIONS BELOW PASSES AND CANYONS. CONFIDENCE IN THE FORECAST 
BEYOND TUE IS LOW AS THE GFS HAS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN A 
RIDGE ACROSS THE ERN PACIFIC (WHICH IS ALSO INDICATED ON THE ECMWF 
AND CANADIAN) AND A SEMI-CUTOFF UPPER LOW WITH SOME MOISTURE IN IT. 
CURRENT FORECAST TRENDS TOWARDS THE MORE CONSISTENT MODELS WHICH 
KEEP THE AREA DRY WITH ABOVE NORMAL TEMPS THROUGH THU.

&&

.AVIATION...26/1800Z.

VFR CONDITIONS EXPECTED AT ALL TAF SITES THRU THE FORECAST PERIOD.
EXPECT IFR/LIFR TO RETURN TO THE IMMEDIATE CENTRAL COAST TONIGHT BUT 
SHOULD AVOID KSMX AND KSBP. 

KLAX...HIGH CONFIDENCE IN 18Z TAF

KBUR...HIGH CONFIDENCE IN 18Z TAF. 

&&

.LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY (SEE LAXMWWLOX).
HIGH SURF ADVISORY (SEE LAXCFWLOX).

&&

$$

PUBLIC...WOFFORD
AVIATION...MORRIS
SYNOPSIS...HOFFER

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