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Trenton, Michigan, United States (48183)
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 Lat: 42.14N, Lon: 83.18W
Wx Zone: MIZ076 ICAO Used: KONZ
Area Discussion for County Warning Area DTX:
FXUS63 KDTX 300446
AFDDTX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
1146 PM EST SUN NOV 29 2009

.AVIATION...

LOW PRESSURE ACROSS THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES CONTINUES TO MOVE OUT OF 
THE GREAT LAKES EARLY THIS MORNING. THE PRECIPITATION ASSOCIATED 
WITH THE SYSTEM HAS ALL BUT ENDED...WITH AN HOUR OR TWO OF 
ADDITIONAL PRECIPITATION POSSIBLE AT KPTK AND THE METRO AIRPORTS. 
SOME SNOW MAY MIX IN ACROSS KPTK BEFORE THE RAIN ENDS...HOWEVER IT 
WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO CAUSE ANY ISSUES. MVFR CONDITIONS WILL IMPROVE 
TO VFR AS A RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS INTO THE CENTRAL GREAT 
LAKES LATER THIS MORNING WITH NORTHWEST WINDS AROUND 10 KNOTS.

NORTHWEST WINDS WILL BACK TO THE SOUTHWEST AHEAD OF ANOTHER 
APPROACHING LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM THIS AFTERNOON. THIS LOW WILL BRING 
THE CHANCE FOR SNOW TO THE TAF SITES TONIGHT AS IT PASSES THROUGH 
THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES. HOWEVER CHANCES ARE LOW ENOUGH TO LEAVE 
OUT OF THE AIRPORTS ALONG AND SOUTH OF M-59. SINCE KMBS/KFNT ARE 
CLOSER TO THE LOW WITH HIGHER SNOW CHANCES WILL INCLUDE SNOW 
STARTING AROUND 00Z AS CONDITIONS DETERIORATE TO MVFR.

&&

.PREV DISCUSSION...ISSUED 355 PM EST SUN NOV 29 2009 

SHORT TERM...TONIGHT

AREA OF LOW PRESSURE OVER LAKE HURON WILL LIFT NORTHEAST ACROSS 
ONTARIO TONIGHT AS AN UPPER TROUGH PUSHES ACROSS THE WESTERN GREAT 
LAKES. ATTENDANT COLD FRONT WAS DROPPING INTO CENTRAL LOWER MICHIGAN 
AT 20Z THIS AFTERNOON...WHILE AN EXPANSIVE AREA OF RAIN WAS LOCATED 
AHEAD OF THE SURFACE FRONT OVER SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN...IN AN AREA OF 
GOOD FRONTOGENETICAL FORCING...GOOD MID-LEVEL INSTABILITY...AND LEFT 
EXIT REGION DYNAMICS. RAIN WILL PRESENT OVER THE AREA INTO THE 
EVENING AS THESE SAME DYNAMICS REMAIN FAVORABLE. MAIN AREA OF 
PRECIPITATION SHOULD THEN CLEAR THE AREA BY 03Z...WITH JUST A FEW 
SHOWERS LINGERING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SYSTEM THROUGH THE NIGHT. 
THERMAL PROFILES REMAIN FAVORABLE TO SEE MOST OF THIS PRECIPITATION 
FALL AS RAIN...HOWEVER STILL EXPECT A FEW SNOWFLAKES TO START MIXING 
IN AS PRECIPITATION STARTS TO TAPER OFF. CHANCES FOR LIGHT SNOW 
SHOWERS AFTER MIDNIGHT REMAIN LOW AS GFS/NAM FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW 
INSUFFICIENT MOISTURE REMAINING IN THE SNOW GROWTH REGION. 
TEMPERATURES TONIGHT ARE EXPECTED TO FALL WITHIN A FEW DEGREES OF 
THE FREEZING MARK.

LONG TERM...MONDAY THROUGH NEXT SUNDAY

SNOW SHOWERS ON LAKE HURON WILL BE OFFSHORE AND WANING DURING MONDAY 
MORNING FOSTERED BY BACKING LOW LEVEL FLOW AS SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE 
BUILDS INTO THE REGION. WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS HIGH 
PRESSURE WILL ALSO BRING A FEW BREAKS IN THE CLOUDS BY LATE MORNING 
THROUGH ABOUT MID AFTERNOON. USUALLY THE STRONG ANTICYCLONIC FLOW 
HELPS WITH A RELIABLE CLEARING TREND BUT THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF LOW 
LEVEL MOISTURE INDICATED OVER MINNESOTA AND IOWA TODAY. THIS 
SUGGESTS A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO ANY CLEARING TREND EXPRESSED IN 
THE FORECAST FOR MONDAY BUT WITH ENOUGH BREAKS OF SUNSHINE TO HELP 
TEMPERATURES TOUCH THE 40 MARK FOR HIGHS.

THE NEXT SYSTEM WILL MAKE ITS APPROACH TOWARD MONDAY EVENING DRIVEN 
BY A STRONG UPPER JET MOVING IN FROM CENTRAL CANADA. MODEL FIELDS 
SHOW THE EXIT REGION OF THIS JET SUPPORTING A MID LEVEL WAVE SHOWN 
BEST BY 850 TO 700 MB THETA-E AND WINDS RATHER THAN MUCH OF WAVE IN 
THE 500 MB HEIGHT FIELD, ALTHOUGH THE SHEARED VORTICITY FIELD DOES 
GIVE AWAY THE UPPER JET. THERE IS ALSO A REFLECTION OF THE WAVE IN 
THE MSL PRESSURE THAT SUGGESTS AN ENVIRONMENT OF LOW STABILITY BELOW 
500 MB THAT WILL MAKE THE FORCING MORE EFFECTIVE AT GENERATING 
VERTICAL MOTION. THAT, ALONG WITH SPECIFIC HUMIDITY IN THE 2 TO 3 
G/KG RANGE IN THE 850 TO 700 MB LAYER SUGGESTS THIS SYSTEM WILL BE 
CAPABLE OF GENERATING SOME LIGHT SNOW ACCUMULATION AS IT MOVES 
THROUGH LOWER MICHIGAN MONDAY NIGHT. THE POINT IS THAT THE WAVE IS 
PLENTY CAPABLE OF GENERATING SNOW ON ITS OWN BUT WILL ALSO GET A 
BOOST FROM LAKE MICHIGAN. EXPECTING AT LEAST LOW STABILITY, MODEL 
CROSS SECTIONS IN FACT SHOW THE LOW LEVELS BECOMING CONVECTIVELY 
UNSTABLE AS THE UPPER LEVEL WAVE APPROACHES WITH THE UNSTABLE LAYER 
GROWING TO NEAR 700 MB DURING THE EVENING. LAKE SURFACE TO 850 MB 
DELTA-T IS ALSO SHOWN TO BE IN THE RANGE OF 12 TO 15C WITH AN 850 MB 
TEMP AROUND -8C. DURATION IS THE ONLY CONCERN AS A LIMITING FACTOR 
AS THE SYSTEM MOVES QUICKLY THROUGH THE REGION BEFORE SUNRISE 
TUESDAY. FOR NOW, WE BROADENED THE AREA OF 1 INCH ACCUMULATION BASED 
ON THE STRENGTH OF THE WAVE RATHER THAN RAISE IT ANY HIGHER BASED ON 
FOCUSED LAKE EFFECT. 

A SHORT WAVE RIDGE WILL MOVE IN BRIEFLY ON TUESDAY AND HELP ENSURE 
DRY CONDITIONS, FOLLOWED BY WARM ADVECTION LATER IN THE DAY AND 
DURING TUESDAY NIGHT. THE WARM ADVECTION WILL BE IN ADVANCE OF THE 
NEXT LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVING INTO NORTHERN MINNESOTA. MODEL 
AGREEMENT IS QUITE GOOD ON THE TIMING AND INTENSITY OF THIS FEATURE 
AS IT TRACKS THROUGH THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES AND LAYS A DRY COLD 
FRONT DOWN THROUGH SE MICHIGAN ON WEDNESDAY. 

THIS FRONT WILL LIKELY MAKE IT TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST BEFORE THE GULF 
COAST SYSTEM MAKES IT NORTHWARD MOVE IN RESPONSE TO YET ANOTHER 
ROUND OF HEIGHT FALLS OVER THE PLAINS AND CENTRAL CANADA. THIS NEXT 
SHORT WAVE WILL MAINTAIN THE LONG WAVE TROUGH TO OUR NORTH AND WEST 
AND KICK THE GULF SYSTEM TOWARD US. AS LONG AS THE CENTRAL CANADIAN 
UPPER TROUGH REMAINS TO OUR WEST, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE GULF SHORT 
WAVE A CHANCE TO MOVE WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS. THE EVENTUAL TRACK 
OF THIS SYSTEM WILL BE MOST STRONGLY INFLUENCED BY THE CHARACTER OF 
HEIGHT FALLS OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS AND HOW PROGRESSIVE/POSITIVELY 
TILTED THE TROUGH BECOMES. UNCERTAINTY IS ADDED BY QUESTIONS 
REGARDING THE AMOUNT OF SHORT WAVE ENERGY BREAKING INTO THE LONG 
WAVE RIDGE ALONG THE WEST COAST. SHOULD THIS NOT BE AS STRONG, THEN 
THE LONG WAVE RIDGE WILL MORE EFFECTIVELY REMAIN FARTHER WEST AND 
ALLOW A FARTHER WEST POSITION ON THE LONG WAVE TROUGH OVER THE 
PLAINS, AND A FARTHER WEST TRACK OF THE GULF SYSTEM. OTHER SOURCES 
OF CONCERN INCLUDE CONVECTIVE INFLUENCE ON THE EVOLUTION OF SURFACE 
LOW PRESSURE ALONG THE GULF COAST AND SOUTHEAST STATES WHICH COULD 
IN FACT PLAY A STRONG ROLE IN THE EVOLUTION OF THE SYSTEM, OR IT MAY 
NOT, WHICH WOULD ALSO FAVOR A WESTWARD TREND TO THE TRACK OF THE 
SURFACE SYSTEM IN THE MODEL SOLUTIONS. AS IT STANDS NOW, THERE 
REMAINS CONSIDERABLE SPREAD IN THE INDIVIDUAL GLOBAL MODELS IN TERMS 
OF BOTH THE TIMING AND TRACK OF THE SYSTEM. PREFER THE SLOWER AND 
WESTWARD ADJUSTMENTS SHOWN IN THE 12Z ECMWF AS OPPOSED TO THE FASTER 
GFS WITH A TRACK ALONG THE SPINE OF THE APPALACHIANS. THE PARALLEL 
GFS IS WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS BUT STILL TOO FAST. TOGETHER THIS 
OFFERS ENOUGH EVIDENCE COMBINED WITH THE LAST PANEL OF THE NAM TO 
INDICATE WE WILL AT LEAST GET BRUSHED BY THE WESTERN FRINGES OF THE 
SYSTEM WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY. THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF OUR GOING 
FORECAST BUT WITH CONTINUED VIGILANCE FOR A WESTWARD TREND.

ONCE THE LEAD WAVE EXITS TO OUR NORTH/EAST ON THURSDAY, THE DOOR 
WILL BE OPEN FOR COLD AIR TO ESTABLISH RESIDENCE IN SE MICHIGAN 
THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THE PRESENCE OF THE UPPER LEVEL TROUGH/LOW AND 
ASSOCIATED COLD POOL WILL COMBINE WITH THE COLD NORTHWEST FLOW IN 
THE LOW LEVELS AND KEEP UNSETTLED CONDITIONS OVER THE REGION. SNOW 
SHOWERS WILL BE COMMON IN THIS SCENARIO, ESPECIALLY FRIDAY AND 
SATURDAY, WITH HIGHS LIMITED TO THE 30S.

MARINE...

WINDS WILL INCREASE THIS EVENING FROM THE NORTHWEST BEHIND THE 
PASSAGE OF A COLD FRONT. COLD AIR STREAMING ACROSS THE WARMER LAKE 
WATERS WILL HELP GENERATE WIND GUSTS TO 25 KNOTS ACROSS THE 
NEARSHORE WATERS OF LAKE HURON AND SAGINAW BAY. THE GUSTY WINDS AND 
LONG FETCH ACROSS LAKE HURON WILL ALLOW WAVES TO BUILD AS HIGH AS 7 
FEET. WINDS AND WAVES WILL DECREASE TOMORROW AS WEAK HIGH PRESSURE 
BUILDS INTO THE REGION AND THE WIND DIRECTION TURNS TO THE WEST. 
WINDS OVER LAKE ST CLAIR AND WESTERN LAKE ERIE WILL BE A LITTLE 
LIGHTER...HOWEVER A BRIEF PERIOD WITH NORTHWESTERLY GUSTS TO 22 
KNOTS CAN BE EXPECTED FROM 1000 PM THROUGH 200 AM. 

WINDS WILL BEGIN TO INCREASE AGAIN FROM THE SOUTHWEST MONDAY 
EVENING. THIS WILL ALLOW WAVE HEIGHTS TO BEGIN BUILDING ONCE 
AGAIN...POSSIBLY REACHING THE 3 TO 5 FOOT CRITERIA NEEDED FOR A 
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY.

&&

.DTX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
MI...NONE.

LAKE HURON...
     SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...SAGINAW BAY...UNTIL 10 AM MONDAY.

     SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...NEARSHORE WATERS FROM PORT AUSTIN TO PORT 
     HURON...UNTIL 4 PM MONDAY.

LAKE ST CLAIR...NONE.
MI WATERS OF LAKE ERIE...NONE.

&&

$$

AVIATION.....KURIMSKI
SHORT TERM...HLO
LONG TERM....BT
MARINE.......HLO

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