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Thurman, Indiana, United States
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 Lat: 41.12N, Lon: 85W
Wx Zone: INZ018 ICAO Used: KFWA
Area Discussion for County Warning Area IWX:
FXUS63 KIWX 271129
AFDIWX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORTHERN INDIANA
629 AM EST FRI NOV 27 2009

.AVIATION /12Z TAFS/...

CONDITIONS AT BOTH SBN AT FWA HAVE IMPROVED MORE QUICKLY THAN
EXPECTED WITH CIGS RETURNING TO VFR IN THE PAST FEW HOURS. WITH
SOME MVFR CIGS STILL FLOATING AROUND...CAN/T RULE OUT SOME
OCCASIONAL RESTRICTIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS...BUT AFTER THIS
POINT...EXPECT CIGS TO REMAIN VFR. CLOUDS SHOULD SCATTER OUT
THIS AFTERNOON WITH JUST A FEW HIGH CLOUDS LEFTOVER TONIGHT.

A FEW FLURRIES ARE POSSIBLE DURING THE FIRST FEW HOURS OF THE TAF
PERIOD...BUT THESE ARE NOT EXPECTED TO CAUSE ANY RESTRICTIONS TO
VSBYS.

WEST-NORTHWEST WINDS 12G18KTS ARE EXPECTED TODAY BEFORE BACKING
SOUTHWESTERLY AND DIMINISHING TO 5KTS OR LESS FOR THE OVERNIGHT
TONIGHT. 

&&

.PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 303 AM EST FRI NOV 27 2009/ 

SHORT TERM /TODAY THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/...

SHORT TERM WEATHER QUIETING DOWN SOME THIS MORNING AS OUR MOST 
RECENT SHORTWAVE PRESSES EAST WITH RIDGING NOW OVER THE CENTRAL AND 
WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE COUNTRY POISED TO MOVE EASTWARD UNDER 
CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM AMPLE EASTERN PACIFIC JET ENERGY.  

PRECIP DOWNWIND OF LAKE MICHIGAN IS BEGINNING TO FALL APART AS 
UPSTREAM DEWPOINTS NEAR KMKE HAVE DROPPED TO NEAR 20F.  EXPECT ANY 
REMAINING RAIN AND SNOW SHOWERS TO COME TO AN END BEFORE DAYBREAK 
BUT THE LAKE INDUCED CLOUD COVER IS ANOTHER MATTER.  WILL INCLUDE A 
PRE-FIRST PERIOD WITH ECHOES STILL ON THE SCOPE AND MORE LOCATIONS 
SWITCHING TO ALL SNOW GIVEN THE COOLING COLUMN.  

CLOUD COVER AND IT/S IMPACT ON TEMPS ARE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES 
TODAY.  MODELS HOPELESSLY TOO DRY IN THE LOWER LEVELS EARLY THIS 
MORNING. SHORTWAVE ROTATING INTO SOUTHERN MICHIGAN EARLY THIS 
MORNING ON THE WESTERN FLANK OF THE NEGATIVELY TILTED TROUGH AXIS 
CENTERED FROM OH TO GA HAS BRIEFLY BACKED THE LLEVEL FLOW SOME...BUT 
THIS FLOW WILL REGAIN A MORE NORTHERLY COMPONENT UPON IT/S PASSAGE 
WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE FLOW TRAJECTORY EXPECTED UNTIL 
TONIGHT.  GIVEN THIS AT TEMPS ALOFT SUPPORTIVE FOR A LAKE RESPONSE 
AT LEAST THROUGH 18Z...SEE NO REASON FOR AT LEAST THE NORTHEASTERN 
2/3RDS OF THE CWA TO REMAIN IN THE CLOUDS THROUGH MID/LATE AFTERNOON 
WITH CLOUDS POTENTIALLY SCATTERING LATE.  GIVEN THE CLOUD 
COVER...HAVE KEPT TEMPS BELOW GUIDANCE OVER NORTHEASTERN 
AREAS...CLOSER TO 3 HOURLY MOS TEMPS.

CLEARING SHOULD TAKE OVER TONIGHT AS H85 RIDGE AXIS PASSES BY WITH 
CONTINUED WARMING AND BACKING FLOW ALOFT.  WITH DEPRESSED DAYTIME 
HIGHS AND CONTINUED LLEVEL DRY ADVECTION EXPECT THAT WE/LL BE SET UP 
FOR PRETTY CHILLY LOWS OVERNIGHT.  WILL CONTINUE LOWS ALONG THE 
LOWER END OF GUIDANCE.  COULD SEE TEMPS DROP ANOTHER 1-2F COOLER 
THAN THIS FORECAST IF WE COMPLETELY CLEAR IN THE EAST QUICKLY 
ENOUGH...AND WILL LET LATER SHIFTS REASSESS.

NICER DAY ON TAP FOR SATURDAY AS SHORTWAVE RIDGING MOVES OVERHEAD 
AND TEMPS ALOFT RAPIDLY WARM.  WITH MODELS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON 
POTENT LOW DEVELOPMENT OFF THE NORTHEASTERN US COAST...EXPECT THE 
WARMUP TO LIKELY BE LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE NAM/ECMWF ARE 
SHOWING...CLOSER TO THE GFS. ALSO IN THESE SCENARIOS WITH SUBSIDENCE 
IN THE LOWER TO MIDDLE TROPOSPHERE AND RAPID WARMING ALOFT...WE TEND 
TO HAVE TROUBLE MIXING VERY HIGH WITH THE NAM SUGGESTING THAT WE MAY 
TO FULLY MIX TO EVEN H92.  WITH THESE IDEAS IN MIND...WILL KEEP HIGHS 
NEAR THE LOWER END OF GUIDANCE BUT THIS WILL STILL BRING HIGHS INTO 
THE UPPER 40S OVER NORTHEASTERN AREAS INCREASING TO THE LOWER 50S IN 
THE SOUTHWEST.  

MODEL TRENDS HEADING INTO SATURDAY NIGHT SUGGEST A SLIGHTLY FASTER 
APPROACH OF SHORTWAVE SEEN IN WATER VAPOR IMAGERY EARLY THIS MORNING 
COMING ASHORE OVER WESTERN BRITISH COLUMBIA.  THIS FASTER MOVEMENT 
APPEARS DUE BOTH TO LESS RETARDING INFLUENCE FORM THE DEVELOPING 
SOUTHWESTERN US CUTOFF...AS WELL AS A RIBBON OF PRETTY FAST MID 
LEVEL FLOW DEVELOPING ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN FLANK OF THE POTENT 
EASTERN CANADA LOW HEIGHT CENTER.  EVEN AT THEIR INITIALIZATION TIME 
THE GFS/NAM ARE OVERDOING ANY MOISTURE RETURN OVER THE CENTRAL 
PLAINS...WHICH IS NONEXISTENT AT THIS TIME.  COMBINE THIS WITH A 
PRETTY QUICK WINDOW OF POTENTIAL MOISTENING SOUTHWEST LLEVEL FLOW IN 
OUR VICINITY AND IT APPEARS THAT EVEN WITH A WEAK FRONT SETTLING 
INTO THE REGION MORE QUICKLY...IT WILL COME IN DRY.  MAIN IMPACT 
FROM THE FRONT AND UPSTREAM INCREASING FORCING WILL BE TO INCREASE 
THE MID/UPPER LEVEL CLOUDINESS SOMEWHAT AND KEEP THE WINDS UP 
OVERNIGHT...WHICH SHOULD SPELL LOWS ALMOST 10F WARMER THAN THE NIGHT 
BEFORE...CLOSER TO THE WARMER SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.  

LONG TERM...

ONLY MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE EXTENDED AS MODELS IN DECENT AGREEMENT 
THROUGH EARLY PART OF WORK WEEK CONCERNING LEAD WAVE MOVING THROUGH 
ON MONDAY BEFORE INCREASING DISAGREEMENT ON NORTHERN STREAM
EVOLUTION IN LATE PERIOD CONTINUES TO YIELD LOW CONFIDENCE BY LATE
WEEK.

UPPER TROF DROPS THROUGH THE NORTHERN PLAINS SUNDAY AND INTO THE 
GREAT LAKES WHILE LEAVING BEHIND UPPER LOW NEAR THE NORTHERN GULF OF 
CALIFORNIA.  ASSOC LLEVEL BOUNDARY PASSES ON SUNDAY BUT DESPITE 
SUPPORTING MID/UPPER LEVEL DYNAMICS RESULT IS UNIMPRESSIVE AS 
MOISTURE RETURN IS QUITE LIMITED UNTIL BNDRY IS JUST OVER THE CWA.  
LEFT INHERITED POPS ALONE FOR SUNDAY AFT INTO MONDAY MORNING.

AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD OF CALM MID WEEK WITH THE CWA LYING BETWEEN 
SPLIT FLOW THE SW CONUS LOW WILL LIFT NE AND PHASE WITH ANOTHER 
TROUGH DIGGING SOUTH THROUGH THE GREAT PLAINS.  IMPACT ON THE CWA WILL 
DEPEND ON HOW THIS EVOLVES/WHERE PHASING OCCURS AND THERE IS 
CONSIDERABLE SPREAD AMONG THE MODELS AND THEIR ENSEMBLES.  
GFS/ENSEMBLE MEAN IS FURTHEST EAST WITH A DRY LATE WEEK PERIOD... 
AND THOUGH THE ECMWF BRUSHES THE CWA WITH PRECIP IT HAS TRENDED EAST 
WITH THE 00Z RUN.   WILL LEAVE GRIDS DRY GIVEN THE EASTERLY SHIFT IN 
PHASING THOUGH IT HAS SHOWN THE INVADING TROUGH CLOSING OFF OVER THE 
GREAT LAKES AND CONTINUED CONSISTENCY WITH THIS FEATURE IN FUTURE 
RUNS COULD NECESSITATE A CHC POP ADDITION.  ONE THING IN COMMON 
ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF SOLNS...COLDER TEMPS FALLING TO CLIMO OR 
COOLER AT THE TAIL END OF THE EXTENDED.

&&

.IWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
IN...NONE.
MI...NONE.
OH...NONE.
LM...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 4 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR LMZ043-
     046.

&&

$$

SHORT TERM...ARNOTT
LONG TERM...LUDINGTON
AVIATION...ARNOTT


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