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Rossburg, New York, United States
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 Lat: 42.50N, Lon: 78.07W
Wx Zone: NYZ021 ICAO Used: KDSV
Area Discussion for County Warning Area BUF:
FXUS61 KBUF 290835
AFDBUF

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
335 AM EST SUN NOV 29 2009

.SYNOPSIS...
A SOUTHERLY FLOW OF MILDER AIR WILL OVERSPREAD THE REGION TODAY 
BETWEEN HIGH PRESSURE MOVING OFF THE CAROLINA COAST AND LOW PRESSURE 
MOVING EAST FROM THE CENTRAL LAKES. AS THE LOW CROSSES THE AREA IT 
WILL SPREAD SHOWERS ACROSS THE REGION LATER TODAY AND ESPECIALLY 
TONIGHT. A NORTHWEST FLOW OF COLDER AIR WILL FOLLOW THE SYSTEM LATER 
TONIGHT AND MONDAY. A SECONDARY TROUGH IS EXPECTED TO CROSS THE AREA 
TUESDAY MORNING.

&&

.NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/...
LOOKS LIKE A GREAT END TO THE WEEKEND. IT WILL NOT SEEM AT ALL LIKE 
LATE NOVEMBER. 

AS OF 08Z A SURFACE HIGH WAS CRESTING OVER CENTRAL NEW YORK. IT IS 
EXPECTED TO MOVE OFF THE NEW ENGLAND COAST THIS AFTERNOON WITH A 
SOUTHERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW OVER OUR REGION AHEAD OF LOW PRESSURE 
DEEPENING OVER THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES. WE SHOULD GET PLENTY OF 
SUNSHINE EARLY THEN INCREASING CLOUDS FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST AS 
THE DAY WEARS ON AND THE LOW MOVES EAST. THE SUNSHINE AND DOWNSLOPE 
FLOW SHOULD ALLOW TEMPERATURES TO PEAK SOMEWHERE IN THE LOWER 50S IN 
THE LAKE PLAIN AND AT LEAST APPROACHING 50 OVER THE NORMALLY COLDER 
HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE SOUTHERN TIER AND THE EASTERN LAKE ONTARIO 
COUNTIES. THIS IS A GOOD 10 DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL.

WE HAVE BACKED OFF A LITTLE MORE ON THE PRECIPITATION TIMING WITH 
THE APPROACHING LOW AND ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT. WE WILL GO CLOSER TO 
THE LATEST NAM SOLUTION WHICH IS A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE GFS.

BIG CHANGES BEGIN TONIGHT. THE ABOVE MENTIONED LOW IS EXPECTED TO 
MOVE TO NORTHERN NEW YORK BY MORNING WHILE CONTINUING TO DEEPEN. IT 
WILL DRAG ITS ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CWA BY 12Z. 
WE WILL HOLD ONTO THE CATEGORICAL POPS CONSIDERING FRONTAL LIFT AND 
FAVORABLE JET DYNAMICS. WE WILL BE IN THE LEFT FRONT QUADRANT OF THE 
250 MB JET AND ALSO AT THE NOSE OF THE 850 MB JET. PRECIP TYPE WILL 
LIKELY REMAIN RAIN ALTHOUGH A MIX IS POSSIBLE BY DAYBREAK WEST AND 
NORTH.

&&

.SHORT TERM /MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT/...
SUNDAY NIGHT, AS THE LOW PASSES BY JUST TO OUR NORTH THE TRAILING 
COLD FRONT CROSSES THE REGION AND MOVES TO EASTERN NY BY MONDAY 
MORNING. WILL INCREASE POPS TO THE LIKELY RANGE WITH THE FRONTAL 
PASSAGE AND THEN LOWER THE POPS TO THE CHC RANGE LATER AT NIGHT 
ACROSS AREAS FROM THE FINGER LAKES WEST. VERY LATE SUNDAY NIGHT THE 
AIR GETS COLD ENOUGH, AROUND -3 TO -5C AT 850 BY 12Z SUNDAY, SO 
PRECIP SHOULD MIX OR CHANGE TO SNOW ACROSS INLAND AREAS EXCEPT FOR 
THE LAKE PLAINS AND OVER LOWER ELEVATIONS ACROSS THE FINGER LAKES 
AND EASTERN LK ONTARIO REGIONS. TEMPS ON SUNDAY NIGHT WILL DIP 
SLIGHTLY IN THE EVENING THEN RISE AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING FRONT 
WITH AN EARLY NIGHT LOW IN THE MID TO UPPER 30S.

ON MONDAY, EXPECT TEMPERATURES TO REMAIN NEARLY STEADY DURING EARLY 
MONDAY MORNING...THEN FALL IN THE AFTERNOON AS THE COLD AIR 
OVERSPREADS WESTERN NY. EXPECT EARLY MORNING HIGHS GENERALLY FROM 
THE UPPER 30S TO AROUND 40 AND AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES IN THE LOWER 
TO MID 30S...AROUND 30 EAST OF LAKE ONTARIO. THE MID LEVEL TROUGH 
WILL MOVE THROUGH THE AREA DURING THE DAY AND THE AIR WILL BE COLD 
ENOUGH FOR SOME LAKE ENHANCEMENT EAST OF THE LAKES SO WILL CONTINUE 
WITH CHC RAIN/SNOW SHWRS TRENDING TO ALL SNOW...WITH HIGHEST CHANCES 
EAST OF THE LAKES IN FAVORED UPSLOPE AREAS DUE TO WESTERLY FLOW.

TEMPERATURES FALL TO THE 20S MONDAY NIGHT WITH SOME LAKE SNOWS 
EXPECTED TO THE EAST OF THE LAKES...POPS IN THE LIKELY RANGE ALONG 
THE CHAUTAUQUA RIDGE AND THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER OF LAKE ONTARIO TO 
THE SOUTHERN TUG HILL PLATEAU. 

TUESDAY WILL CHARACTERIZED BY COLD TEMPS IN THE 30S AND SCATTERED 
RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS IN THE LOWER ELEVATIONS AND SCATTERED TO LIKELY 
SNOW SHOWERS IN THE HILLS OF THE SOUTHERN TIER AND THE TUG HILL 
PLATEAU. UPPER RIDGING...SOUTHWESTERLY WINDS AND WARMING WILL BRING 
AN END TO THE LAKE EFFECT AND BRING PARTIAL CLEARING TUESDAY NIGHT. 
IT WILL STILL BE QUITE COLD WITH OVERNIGHT LOWS IN THE MID 20S OVER 
MOST OF THE FORECAST AREA WITH SOME LOWER 30S ALONG THE LAKE ERIE 
SHORELINE AREAS.

&&

.LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/...
HIGH PRESSURE PASSES THE REGION TO THE SOUTH WITH A NORTHWARD 
EXTENSION OF THE RIDGE COVERING THE EASTERN LAKES AND NORTHEASTERN 
STATES. SKIES WILL NOT CLEAR COMPLETELY DUE TO THE MOISTURE 
ADVECTING IN FROM THE SOUTH...BUT WE CAN EXPECT SOME SUNSHINE AND 
TEMPS IN THE MID 40S...A COUPLE OF DEGREES ABOVE SEASONAL NORMALS.

A PLAINS CLOSED UPPER LOW WILL OPEN AND LIFT ALONG THE WESTERN 
APPALACHIANS DURING WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND SPREAD PRECIP INTO THE 
FORECAST AREA DURING WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS TRACK IS ABOUT 200 MILES 
FARTHER INLAND ON TODAY'S 12Z GFS THAN ON PREVIOUS MODEL RUNS...AND 
WILL BRING A MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW TO THE AREA DURING THE NIGHT AS A 
WARM JET BOOSTS THE 850MB TEMPS CLOSE TO THE FREEZING MARK OVER THE 
GENESEE VALLEY AND FINGER LAKES BETWEEN 09Z AND 15Z...THEN BACK 
BELOW FREEZING FOR MUCH OF THE DAYTIME ON THURSDAY. WILL HAVE SOME 
MIXED PRECIP IN THE LATE NIGHT AND EARLY MORNING...THEN A MIX OF 
SNOW SHOWERS AND SOME SLEET AS THE SHALLOW WEDGE OF WARMER AIR IS 
UNDERLAIN BY COLDER AIR. THIS COMBINATION OF PRECIP TYPE MAY CHANGE 
IF THE NEWER MODELS SHIFT THE TRACK OF THE SURFACE LOW EITHER CLOSER 
TO THE COAST WHICH WILL MAINTAIN COLDER AIR AND ALL SNOW...OR 
FARTHER WEST WHICH WOULD BRING RAIN RATHER THAN SNOW. 

AS THE SURFACE LOW LIFTS NORTHWARD INTO WESTERN QUEBEC ON THURSDAY 
EVENING...THE FLOW ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE LOW WILL DRAW MUCH 
COLDER AIR INTO NEW YORK STATE DURING THURSDAY NIGHT...DEEPENING AND 
GETTING COLDER ON FRIDAY. THIS COULD SPELL THE BEGINNING OF A WELL 
DEVELOPED LAKE EFFECT SNOW EVENT WITH 850MB TEMPS FALLING TO A RANGE 
FROM -10C TO -12C BY LATE FRIDAY MORNING. WILL HAVE UPPER CHANCE TO 
LOW LIKELY POPS IN THE LEE OF THE LAKES FOR FRIDAY AND CHANCE POPS 
THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING.

WEDNESDAY WILL BE THE MILDEST DAY OF THE WORKWEEK WITH HIGHS IN THE 
LOWE TO MID 40S...THEN COLDER TEMPS THROUGH THE REST OF THE WEEK 
WITH LOWS IN THE MID TO UPPER 20S AND HIGHS ONLY IN THE MID TO UPPER 
30S.

&&

.AVIATION /09Z SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...
11-3.9 MICRON SATELLITE SHOWS STRATUS QUICKLY ERODING ACROSS MUCH OF 
WESTERN NY WITH THE CLEARING LINE ACROSS THE EAST END OF LAKE 
ONTARIO INTO WAYNE COUNTY. EXPECT SKC AT ALL OF THE WESTERN NY TAF 
SITES THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING. FARTHER EAST AT KART THE STRATUS DECK 
WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DISLODGE WITH MOIST CYCLONIC FLOW 
PERSISTING WITH SOME AID FROM LAKE EFFECT CLOUDS. EXPECT A BKN-OVC 
LOWER END VFR DECK TO REMAIN THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING BEFORE 
SCATTERING OUT. 

BY LATE SUNDAY THE NEXT SYSTEM WILL APPROACH THE LOWER GREAT LAKES. 
EXPECT ALL OF THE DAYLIGHT HOURS TO REMAIN VFR...WITH SHOWERS 
ARRIVING DURING THE EVENING. CIGS SHOULD LOWER TO MVFR DURING THE 
EVENING AS THE SHOWERS MOVE IN. BY AROUND MIDNIGHT THE APPROACH OF 
THE SURFACE COLD FRONT MAY BRING A FURTHER DETERIORATION TO IFR CIGS 
WITH MOIST SOUTHWEST FLOW ALIGNING WITH LAKE ERIE AND THE SURFACE 
COLD FRONT. THIS WOULD MOST LIKELY IMPACT KBUF-KIAG INITIALLY. LOWER 
END MVFR OR IFR CIGS MAY SPREAD TO THE OTHER TAF SITES AS WELL AFTER 
THE 06Z END TIME OF THIS TAF CYCLE.

OUTLOOK...
MONDAY...MVFR. CHANCE RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS. 
MONDAY NIGHT...MVFR WITH SCATTERED SHOW SHOWERS. LOCAL IFR/LIFR IN 
LAKE EFFECT SNOW EAST OF LAKES ERIE AND ONTARIO.
TUESDAY...VFR/MVFR. CHANCE RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS.
WEDNESDAY...MAINLY VFR.
THURSDAY...MVFR. CHANCE OF RAIN AND SNOW.

&&

.MARINE...
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORIES WILL BE CONTINUED INTO TONIGHT ACROSS THE
NEARSHORE WATERS OF THE LAKES. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORIES WILL BE DROPPED
AT VARYING INTERVALS TONIGHT FOR THE LAKES AS WINDS AND WAVES DROP
BELOW SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY RANGE. BY 12Z SUNDAY A BROAD BUT WEAK
RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE WILL BUILD IN ACROSS THE EASTERN LAKES
LOWERING WIND AND WAVE CONDITIONS. SOUTHWEST WINDS AHEAD OF THE
NEXT LOW ON SUNDAY WILL INCREASE ENOUGH FOR MORE SMALL CRAFT
ADVISORIES SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND SUNDAY EVENING. BEHIND THE COLD FRONT
LATER SUNDAY NIGHT NW WINDS WILL INCREASE TO SMALL CRAFT ADVERSE
RANGE.

&&

.CLIMATE...
STILL NO MEASURABLE SNOW SO FAR THIS SEASON OVER MOST OF WESTERN NEW 
YORK. WE ARE ALREADY OVER THREE WEEKS LATE (NORMAL DATES ARE NOV 7 
FOR BUFFALO AND NOV 8 FOR ROCHESTER). WE WILL AT LEAST GET TO MONDAY 
(30TH) AND IF SO...WILL BE THE LATEST IN 63 YEARS (1946) AT 
BUFFALO...AND LATEST IN 46 YEARS (1963) AT ROCHESTER. THE ALL TIME 
RECORD LATEST DATES FOR FIRST MEASURABLE SNOW ARE DEC 3 1899 AT 
BUFFALO AND DEC 10 1948 AT ROCHESTER.

IN ADDITION, ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE EITHER BUFFALO OR ROCHESTER 
LAST SAW MEASURABLE SNOW. THROUGH TODAY NOV 29...BUFFALO WILL HAVE GONE
236 DAYS WITHOUT MEASURABLE SNOW, OR SINCE APRIL 7, 2009. THIS IS
THE 4TH LONGEST STRETCH IN 125 YEARS OF RECORDS. THE RECORD IS 277
DAYS SET BACK IN 1946. ROCHESTER IS ALSO AT 236 DAYS WITHOUT
MEASURABLE SNOW, OR THE 3RD LONGEST STRETCH THERE. THE RECORD IS
260 DAYS SET BACK IN 1952.

&&

.BUF WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
NY...NONE.

&&

$$

SYNOPSIS...JJP
NEAR TERM...SAGE
SHORT TERM...WCH
LONG TERM...WCH
AVIATION...HITCHCOCK
MARINE...TMA/WCH
CLIMATE...TMA/SAGE


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