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Queensbury, New York, United States (12804)
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 Lat: 43.38N, Lon: 73.61W
Wx Zone: NYZ084 ICAO Used: KGFL
Area Discussion for County Warning Area ALY:
FXUS61 KALY 240232 RRA
AFDALY

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY
932 PM EST WED DEC 23 2009

.SYNOPSIS...
HIGH PRESSURE FROM CANADA WILL BUILD INTO THE REGION LATE TONIGHT 
AND FRIDAY. A STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL MOVE NORTH FROM THE 
SOUTHERN PLAINS TOWARD THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES LATER IN THE WEEK AS 
A FRONTAL BOUNDARY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOW MOVES INTO OUR REGION 
LATE FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY. ANOTHER AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IS 
EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ALONG THIS BOUNDARY ON SATURDAY. THIS SCENARIO 
WILL LIKELY BRING MIXED PRECIPITATION TO THE AREA OVER THE WEEKEND.

&&

.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM THURSDAY MORNING/...
AS OF 900 PM RADAR RETURNS AND SURFACE INDICATE NOTHING MORE THAN 
FLURRIES REMAIN ACROSS THE REGION...SO WILL FORECAST OCASIONAL 
FLURRIES FOR THE REST OF TONIGHT. HAVE INCREASED THE CLOUD COVER 
FROM THE PREVIOUS FORECAST...AND HAVE ALSO TWEAKED OVERNIGHT LOWS 
DOWN ALITTLE IN A FEW AREAS...OTHERWISE THE PREVIOUS FORECAST IS 
UNCHANGED.

&&

.SHORT TERM /6 AM THURSDAY MORNING THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/...
TRANQUIL WEATHER WILL PREVAIL ON THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT. THE 
ONLY REAL CHALLENGE IS HOW MUCH CLOUD COVER WILL LINGER. MODEL 
SOUNDINGS SUGGEST A PRETTY HEFTY LOW INVERSION WHICH COULD SERVE TO 
TRAP MOISTURE UNDERNEATH IT. IF THIS HAPPENS...CLOUDS WILL PREVAIL. 
HOWEVER...THERE IS ALSO A CHANCE THAT ENOUGH DRYING DUE TO 
SUBSIDENCE COULD DRY THE MOISTURE. FOR NOW...WILL PLAY IN 
BETWEEN...CALLING IT PARTLY CLOUDY BOTH THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT. 
CLOUDS OR NOT...TEMPERATURES ON THURSDAY WILL BE LESS COLD THAN 
PREVIOUS DAYS. WE ARE FORECASTING A HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 33 DEGREES 
FOR ALBANY. IF THIS HAPPENS...IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME SINCE 
DECEMBER 15TH WE HAVE CRACKED THE FREEZING MARK! OVERALL LOOK FOR 
HIGHS GENERALLY IN THE 30S REGION WIDE. WITH SOME PATCHY CLOUDS 
AROUND AND SOME WARMING ALOFT...WE DON'T THINK TEMPERATURES WILL 
DROP TOO PRECIPITOUSLY ON THURSDAY NIGHT. HOWEVER...IF WE WERE TO 
COMPLETELY CLEAR...TEMPERATURES COULD DROP A BIT COLDER THAN WE OUR 
CURRENTLY FORECASTING...AS THE WIND WILL GO NEARLY CALM. EITHER 
WAY...IT WILL REMAIN DRY. RIGHT NOW...FIGURE ON LOW TEMPERATES FROM 
THE TEENS NORTH...LOWER 20S SOUTH.  

FOR FRIDAY...THE WEATHER WILL REMAIN DRY. THE ONLY POSSIBLE 
EXCEPTION MIGHT BE A FEW SNOW SHOWERS MAKING IT INTO THE CATSKILLS 
BY LATE IN THE DAY...BUT THE LION SHARE OF THE NEXT IMPENDING STORM 
WILL STAY JUST TO OUR WEST. TEMPERATURES ONCE AGAIN WILL BE 
SEASONABLE...IN THE 30S...TO NEAR 40 IN SOME OF THE "WARMER" SPOTS.

ACTUALLY...IF THE 18Z NAM IS CORRECT...PRECIPITATION MIGHT NOT REACH 
THE HUDSON VALLEY UNTIL SATURDAY NIGHT. HOWEVER...THE 12Z 
CANADIAN/EUROPEAN AND GFS MODELS INDICATE IT WILL REACH ALL OF OUR 
AREA BY 12Z SATURDAY. THE STRONG RIDGE THAT HAS BEEN RESIDING OVER 
GREENLAND (CALLED THE GREENLAND BLOCK) IS STILL FORECAST TO 
RETROGRADE EASTWARD INTO EASTERN CANADA AND COULD VERY PREVENT 
PRECIPITATION FROM THE NEXT STORM...TO REMAIN TO OUR WEST INITIALLY. 
TIMING THIS FAR OUT IS TOO UNCERTAINTY SO FOR NOW...WILL LEAN WITH 
THE SOMEWHAT FASTER ONSET.

GIVEN THIS THINKING...PRECIPITATION...IN THE FORM OF SNOW AND SLEET 
WOULD OVERSPREAD OUR REGION FRIDAY NIGHT. BY SATURDAY...AS THE MAIN 
STORM INITIALLY LIFTS WAY TO OUR NORTHWEST INTO THE GREAT LAKES 
REGION POUNDING THAT REGION WITH ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT WINTER STORM  
CLOSER TO HOME...A SECONDARY LOW IS FORECAST TO FORM ALONG THE 
TRIPLE POINT...OVER VIRGINIA. THIS SCENARIO WOULD SERVE TO PREVENT 
THE REALLY MILD AIR...STREAMING IN FROM THE SOUTHEAST...FROM EVER 
REACHING OUR REGION. WARMER AIR HOWEVER WILL "NOSE" IN 
ALOFT...CHANGING ANY SNOW OR SLEET TO FREEZING RAIN OR RAIN. RIGHT 
NOW...THIS DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A CLASSIC ICE STORM SET UP...AS THE 
SURFACE HIGH REMAIN TO OUR NORTHEAST (AS OPPOSED TO NORTH) WHICH 
SHOULD ALLOW ENOUGH WARM AIR TO BRING ABOVE FREEZING TEMPERATURES TO 
MOST AREA DURING SATURDAY. STILL...SOME ICING LOOKS POSSIBLE ALONG 
WITH MINOR OR PERHAPS MODERATE ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW AND SLEET 
(MAINLY NORTH). THE OTHER CONCERN WITH THIS STORM IS HOW MUCH RAIN 
WILL FALL. RIGHT NOW THE 12Z MREFS INDICATE A LITTLE LESS THAN AN 
INCH FOR ALBANY...A LITTLE MORE FURTHER SOUTH. THIS IS A BIT LESS 
THAN THE PREVIOUS RUN. THE EUROPEAN MODEL HAS ALSO BACKED OFF QPF 
AMOUNTS A BIT...AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING.               

LOOK FOR HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE 30S TO NEAR 40 SOUTH ON 
SATURDAY...AND ONLY DROPPING A LITTLE BACK DOWN AROUND FREEZING MARK 
BY SUNDAY MORNING.

&&

.LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...
ON SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY...SOME SNOW SHOWERS ARE POSSIBLE AS THE 
LARGE CUTOFF UPPER LEVEL LOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEEKEND SFC SYSTEM 
WILL BE SLOWLY MAKING PROGRESS ACROSS THE REGION. THE 12 UTC GFS AND 
ECMWF ARE STILL NOT IN AGREEMENT...AS THE GFS HAS THE UPPER LOW 
BASICALLY RIGHT OVER UPSTATE NY BY SUN NIGHT ...WHILE THE ECMWF IS 
SLOWER AND STILL LAGS THE SYSTEM BACK ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY AND 
EVENTUALLY ACROSS SOUTHERN PARTS OF THE REGION BY MONDAY EVENING. 
WITH LIMITED MOISTURE REMAINING ACROSS THE AREA...THE BEST CHC OF 
SEEING SNOW SHOWERS WOULD BE ACROSS THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS IN UPSLOPE 
FAVORED AREAS...AS WELL AS ACROSS WESTERN AREAS WHERE SOME 
ADDITIONAL LAKE MOISTURE MAY BE PULLED INTO THE AREA. WOULD NOT 
EXPECT MUCH ACCUM AT ALL DUE TO LIGHT QPF VALUES. MAX TEMPS WILL 
AVERAGE NEAR NORMAL FOR SUN NIGHT INTO MONDAY...WITH MON MAX TEMPS 
IN THE MIDDLE TO UPPER 30S FOR VALLEY AREAS.

ON MONDAY NIGHT...A STRONG ARCTIC FRONT WILL DROP ACROSS THE REGION. 
SOME ADDITIONAL SNOW SHOWERS AND SQUALLS ARE POSSIBLE JUST AHEAD AND 
ALONG THE SFC BOUNDARY. IN THE WAKE OF THIS SYSTEM...850 HPA WILL 
DROP AS LOW AS -20 TO -23 DEGREES C...WHICH LOOKS TO BE THE COLDEST 
850 HPA TEMPS OF THE SEASON SO FAR. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR QUITE COLD 
CONDITIONS FOR TUESDAY INTO TUESDAY NIGHT...WHEN SINGLE DIGITS LOWS 
WILL BE POSSIBLE IN MANY AREAS...WITH READINGS BELOW ZERO IN PARTS 
OF THE DACKS FOR TUES NIGHT AS WELL. WILL HAVE TO WATCH FOR SOME 
POTENTIAL FOR WIND CHILLS TO REACH NEAR ADVISORY CRITERIA IN THE 
HIGHEST ELEVATIONS OF THE ADKS. MOST OF TUES THROUGH TUES NIGHT WILL 
BE DRY...ALTHOUGH AREAS DOWN WIND OF LAKE ONTARIO COULD SEE SOME 
LAKE EFFECT WITH THE FAVORABLE LAKE/AIR DELTA T. THIS LOOKS TO BE A 
NW FLOW...SO THAT WOULD FAVOR MULTI BANDS REACHING THE WESTERN 
MOHAWK/SCHOHARIE VALLEY AND CATSKILLS. 

TEMPS ALOFT WILL BEGIN TO MODERATE ON WEDNESDAY AS HIGH PRESSURE 
SLIDES OVER THE REGION...WHICH SHOULD HELP LOWER THE INVERSION 
HEIGHT AND SQUELCH THE LAKE EFFECT AS WELL. STILL...MAX TEMPS LOOK 
COLD...WITH VALLEY READINGS STILL BELOW NORMAL IN THE MIDDLE 20S.

&&

.AVIATION /00Z THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY/...
AS OF 600 PM...THE AREA LIGHT SNOW/SNOW SHOWERS OVER THE REGION HAD 
DIMINISHED WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A SNOW FLURRY POSSIBLE AT THE 
KGFL/KALB/KPOU TAF SITES UNTIL ABOUT 02Z...BUT DUE DIMINISHING RADAR 
RETURNS AND INCREASINLY DRIER AIR AT THE SURFACE...DID NOT MENTION 
THE CHANCE OF A FLURRY IN THE TAFS. 

OTHERWISE...VFR SC DECK EXPECTED AT ALL THREE TAF SITES TO START THE 
TAF PERIOD...BECOMING SCT AT KPOU AFTER 06Z...AND NOT UNTIL THURSDAY 
AFTERNOON AND KALB AND KGFL.

SURFACE WINDS TO SART THE TAF PERIOD WILL BE NORTHWEST AT 10 TO 12 
KTS WITH GUSTS OF 15 TO 20 KTS. THE WINDS WILL DIMINISH TO 5 TO 10 
KTS BY AROUND MIDNIGHT...AND LIKELY BECOME LIGHT AND VARIABLE AT 
KGFL/KPOU. EXPECT NORTH WINDS AROUND 5 KTS ON THURSDAY.

OUTLOOK...
THU NITE-FRI...VFR...NO SIG WX.
FRI NGT...VFR DETERIORATING TO MVFR LATE AS A WINTRY MIX MOVES
IN. 
SAT-SAT NGT...MVFR-IFR...WITH A WINTRY MIX. A CHANGE OVER TO
PLAIN RAIN DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. AT KPOU BY LATE
MORNING...AT KALB BY EARLY AFTERNOON AND POSSIBLY AT KGFL DURING
THE AFTERNOON. 
SUN...VFR...MVFR POSSIBLE WITH A CHC -FZRA IN THE AM AND CHC
SHRA/-SHSN IN THE AFTERNOON.

&&

.HYDROLOGY...
NOTE...THE WATERFORD GAGE /WTFN6/ IS STILL EXPERIENCING ICE ON THE 
SENSOR AND IS RESULTING IN INACCURATE READINGS.  RFC/USGS AND 
WATERFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN CONTACTED SINCE NO FLOODING 
NOR ICE JAMS ARE OCCURRING.  THE AHPS WEB PAGE HAS BEEN NOTATED AT 
THIS TIME.

THE MONITORING EQUIPMENT ON THE MOHAWK AT LITTLE FALLS HAS ALSO
BECOME FROZEN AND IT IS INOPERATIVE. GAGES ON THE MOOSE RIVER AT
MCKEEVER AND ON THE SCHOHARIE CREEK AT PRATTSVILLE ARE WORKING
BUT READING ABOUT TWO FEET HIGHER DUE TO THE EFFECT OF ICE IN 
THE RIVER. 

COLD WEATHER WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE REGION WITH A GRADUAL WARMING
TREND THROUGH CHRISTMAS DAY. DURING THIS TIME...TEMPERATURES ARE 
FORECAST TO AVERAGE WELL BELOW FREEZING ACROSS THE ENTIRE FORECAST 
AREA...WHICH WILL LIKELY RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF SOME ICE 
ON MANY RIVERS. ACCUMULATING ICE MAY CAUSE SOME RIVER LEVELS TO RISE 
EVEN THOUGH FLOWS CONTINUE TO DIMINISH.

STARTING MIDDAY CHRISTMAS DAY...THE PRECIP SHIELD FROM THE STORM IN
THE MIDWESTERN STATES WILL BEGIN TO AFFECT US WITH A MIX OF SNOW...
SLEET...AND RAIN. LITTLE...IF ANY...MELTING IS EXPECTED TO TAKE 
PLACE UNTIL SATURDAY WHEN WARMER AIR BEGINS TO MIX DOWN TO THE 
SURFACE AND BRING TEMPERATURES INTO THE UPPER 30S AND LOW 40S FROM
THE MOHAWK VALLEY SOUTH. MUCH OF THIS AREA HAS RELATIVELY LITTLE 
SNOW ON THE GROUND...AND WITH A FLOW OF WARM AIR OFF THE OCEAN
THE RAIN COULD BE HEAVY AT TIMES ON SATURDAY. THIS WOULD BRING 
ABOUT SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN RIVER FLOWS...WHICH IN TURN COULD
BREAK SOME OF THE ICE LOOSE. ASIDE FROM BACKUPS OR SURGES FROM ICE 
JAMS...NOT ENOUGH RUNOFF IS EXPECTED TO CAUSE FLOODING AT THIS 
TIME.  

FOR DETAILS ON SPECIFIC AREA RIVERS AND LAKES...INCLUDING OBSERVED 
AND FORECAST RIVER STAGES AND LAKE ELEVATIONS...PLEASE VISIT THE 
ADVANCED HYDROLOGIC PREDICTION SERVICE /AHPS/ GRAPHS ON OUR WEBSITE.

&&

.ALY WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
CT...NONE.
NY...NONE.
MA...NONE.
VT...NONE.

&&

$$
SYNOPSIS...GJM
NEAR TERM...GJM
SHORT TERM...HWJIV
LONG TERM...FRUGIS
AVIATION...GJM
HYDROLOGY...RCK


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