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Palos Hills, Illinois, United States (60465)
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 Lat: 41.70N, Lon: 87.83W
Wx Zone: ILZ014 ICAO Used: KMDW
Area Discussion for County Warning Area LOT:
FXUS63 KLOT 021116
AFDLOT

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
516 AM CST WED DEC 2 2009

.DISCUSSION...
330 AM CST

MAIN CONCERN FOR THE MORNING UPDATE REMAINS TIMING THE ONSET OF OF 
THE WINTRY PRECIPITATION EXPECTED TO BEGIN TO IMPACT THE AREA LATER 
TODAY.

AT ISSUANCE TIME...THE SRN STREAM UPPER LOW HAS BEGUN TO LIFT NEWD 
THROUGH CNTRL TX...AND LATEST SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE 
UPPER SYSTEM IS BEGINNING TO INTENSIFY AS IT DRAWS COOLER AIR IN 
FROM IT'S NORTH AND WEST.  THE ASSOCIATED SFC LOW CENTER IS OVER THE 
CNTRL LOUISIANA GULF COAST AND IS ALSO SHOWING SIGNS OF MODEST 
INTENSIFICATION.  MEANWHILE...A STRONG NORTHERN STREAM SHORT WAVE IS 
TRACKING OVER THE UPPER GREAT LAKES.

THE BIG QUESTION REMAINS...HOW MUCH PHASING OF THE NRN STREAM AND 
AND SRN STREAM SYSTEM WILL TAKE PLACE AS THE SRN STREAM SYSTEM LIFTS 
NEWD.  THE LATEST MODEL RUNS ARE RATHER CONSISTENT IN HOW THEY 
HANDLE THE SYNOPTIC SCALE FEATURES...LIFTING THE SRN STREAM SYSTEM 
VERY QUICKLY NEWD...BEFORE IT CAN TAP THE NRN STREAM ENERGY AND 
COOLER AIR...WHICH WOULD AID THE INTENSIFICATION OF THE SFC LOW.  
THUS THE MODELS ARE IN RELATIVELY GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE TRACK OF SRN 
STREAM SFC LOW...TAKING IT THROUGH CNTRL MISSISSIPPI BY 12Z THIS 
MORNING...TO CNTRL KENTUCKY BY 00Z THURSDAY AND THEN ZIPPING ALONG 
TO LAKE ONTARIO BY 12Z THURSDAY.  THIS SFC LOW TRACK IS NOT VERY 
CONDUCIVE TO SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL FOR THE LOCAL AREA.  HOWEVER...RUN 
TO RUN CONSISTENCY IN THE MODEL SOLUTIONS FOR THIS SYSTEM HAVE BEEN 
SLIGHTLY LACKING AS LAST NIGHT'S MODEL RUNS WERE TAKING A MORE 
EASTERLY PATH THROUGH ERN KENTUCKY...WHILE PREVIOUS RUNS WERE TAKING 
A MORE WESTERLY TRACK THROUGH WRN KENTUCKY.  THE LATEST RUNS ARE 
SORT OF A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SOLUTION AND SINCE THERE IS GOOD 
AGREEMENT...FEEL RATHER CONFIDENT ON THE SENSIBLE WEATHER FEATURES 
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS EARLY SEASON WINTRY PRECIPITATION.  

BASED ON THE TIMING OF THE SYSTEM...THE ONSET OF PCPN WILL OCCUR 
THIS AFTERNOON OVER THE SERN PORTIONS OF THE CWA AND WILL BE 
RAIN...AS THE COOLER AIR WILL NOT HAVE HAD TIME TO REACH THAT AREA.  
BY EARLY THIS EVENING...LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL BEGIN TO BACK FROM NELY 
TO NLY AND NWLY...AND COLD ADVECTION WILL INCREASE RAPIDLY.  
SO...WILL KEEP THE NON-DIURNAL TEMPERATURE TREND FOR TODAY WITH THE 
MAX TEMPS OCCURRING AT AROUND NOON.  AS THE COOLER AIR FILTERS IN 
THIS AFTERNOON...THE PCPN SHIELD IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE OVER THE 
CWA.  SO BY THE TIME PCPN BEGINS OVER THE NWRN LOCATIONS... 
CONDITIONS SHOULD ALREADY BE COLD ENOUGH FOR THE PCPN TO BE ALL 
SNOW AND THE PCPN IN A SWATH ROUGHLY FROM CHICAGO TO PONTIAC SHOULD 
START OUT AS A RAIN/SNOW MIX.  PCPN OVER THE NWRN INDIANA COUNTIES 
AND FORD/IROQUOIS COUNTIES WILL REMAIN LIQUID FOR THE LONGEST AMOUNT 
OF TIME...NOT CHANGING OVER TO SNOW UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.  
GIVEN THAT UPPER DYNAMICS WILL BE STRONGEST WHEN THE PCPN IS STILL 
LARGELY LIQUID...SNOW AMOUNTS SHOULD BE SMALL AND ANY ACTUAL 
ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD BE VERY MINIMAL AND CONFINED TO GRASSY AREAS.  
BY THURSDAY...ANY REMAINING SNOWFALL WILL TAPER OFF TO OCNL 
FLURRIES...WITH OCNL FLURRIES PERSISTING THROUGH FRIDAY AS A LARGER 
SCALE UPPER TROUGH SWINGS THROUGH THE UPPER MIDWEST.
  
HOWEVER...THERE REMAINS SOME CONCERN REGARDING THE EXACT DEGREE OF 
PHASING OF THE OF THE NRN AND SRN STREAMS AS TEMPERATURES ARE 
MARGINAL AT THE TIME OF THE ONSET OF PCPN.  THIS CAN BE PARTICULARLY 
INTERESTING WHEN A SYSTEM ORIGINATING OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO IS 
INVOLVED.  SYSTEMS ORIGINATING OVER THE WARM GULF WATERS ALWAYS HAVE 
A POTENTIAL TO TAP LARGE AMOUNTS OF POTENTIAL ENERGY...AND IF THEY 
CAN INTERACT WITH THE COOLER AIR OF A STRONG NRN STREAM SHORT 
WAVE...THE COMBINATION CAN LEAD TO RAPID INTENSIFICATION OF THE SFC 
LOW...AND POSSIBLY A MORE WESTERLY TRACK OF THE SYSTEM.  IF THIS 
WERE TO OCCUR...SNOWFALL AMOUNTS COULD BE GREATER...WITH SOME 
ACCUMULATING SNOW.  WHILE POSSIBLE...THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO IS 
UNLIKELY.

GIVEN THE FOCUS OF THE FORECAST MAINLY ON THE SHORT TERM...HAVE MADE 
NO SGFNT CHANGES TO THE LONGER TERM FORECAST.

KREIN

&&

.AVIATION...

1200 UTC TAFS...COLD FRONT NEARLY THRU RFD NOW AND SHUD WORK ACROSS
NRN IL THIS MRNG AS LOW PRESSURE OVER LK SUPERIOR SHIFTS EAST
INTO ONTARIO. WIND SHIFT TO THE NORTH WILL BE FOLLOWED LATER TODAY
WITH INCREASES TO 25 TO 30 KNOTS AS LOW IN LOWER MS VLY KICKS OUT
FOR THE OHIO VALLEY BY MIDNIGHT TNGT. NORTH FLOW THIS AFTN WILL
PULL DOWN CANADIAN AIR MASS COMPLETE WITH SC DECK BLO 3K FEET.
WRAPAROUND FROM LOW MOVING INTO THE MID OH VLY WILL BEGIN RAIN
OVER TERMINALS BY NIGHTFALL. STRONG NORTH FLOW CONTINUES THRU
TONIGHT AND INTO THURSDAY MRNG. WITH SATURATION FROM RAIN...CIGS
LIKELY TO LOWER BLO 2K FEET BY MIDNIGHT. CHANGEOVER TO SNOW SHUD
BE NEAR THE END OF PCPN OR NEAR DAWN AS SFC LOW MOVES TO LAKE
ONTARIO TAKING WRAPAROUND PCPN WITH IT. MOS APPEARS TO BE A BIT
TOO OPTIMISTIC WITH CIGS WITH THIS SYSTEM. BASED ON EXPERIENCE
...WINTER SYSTEMS ARE NOT APT TO REWARD OPTIMISM. SO LEAVING CIGS
BLO 2K THRU 12Z THURSDAY MRNG.

RLB

&&

.MARINE...
333 AM CST

A LULL BETWEEN LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS WILL SHIFT RATHER WEAK SW WINDS 
THIS MORNING TO GUSTY NORTH WINDS THIS AFTN AS THE DEEPENING SYSTEM 
APPROACHING THE MID OHIO VLY FROM THE WESTERN GULF STATES TIGHTENS 
THE PRESSURE GRADIENT OVER LAKE MICHIGAN AND PULLS DOWN COLD 
CANADIAN AIR. WINDS WILL BE KICKING UP TO AROUND 30 KTS THIS AFTN 
AND CONTINUE THRU TONIGHT AS THE STILL STRENGTHENING LOW KICKS OUT 
ACROSS OHIO TO LK ONTARIO BY THURSDAY MORNING. FINALLY AS THIS LOW 
CONTINUES NE INTO NEW ENGLAND...PRESSURE GRADIENTS LOOSEN OVER LK 
MICHIGAN AND WINDS NOT ONLY START BACKING WEST BUT DIMINISH TO 20 
KTS OR LESS AND PERMIT WAVES TO FLATTEN BELOW 8 FEET OVER EASTERN LK 
MICH. WIND GUSTS MAY APPROACH GALE FORCE AT TIMES TONIGHT OVER THE 
OPEN WATERS OF SOUTHERN LK MICHIGAN...BUT A GENERAL SUSTAINED GALE 
WARNING IS PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY. A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY SHUD GO 
INTO AFFECT THIS AFTN AND CONTINUE THRU TONIGHT AND MOST OF THURSDAY 
FOR THE IL AND INDIANA NEARSHORE WATERS.

RLB

&&

.LOT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
IL...NONE.
IN...NONE.
LM...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...LMZ740-LMZ741-LMZ742...3 PM WEDNESDAY TO 
     3 PM THURSDAY.

     SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY...LMZ743-LMZ744-LMZ745...3 PM WEDNESDAY TO 
     6 PM THURSDAY.

&&

$$


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