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Hosford, Florida, United States (32334)
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 Lat: 30.39N, Lon: 84.8W
Wx Zone: FLZ026 ICAO Used: KTLH
Area Discussion for County Warning Area TAE:
FXUS62 KTAE 300826
AFDTAE

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
326 AM EST MON NOV 30 2009

...STRONG STORM SYSTEM WITH A MULTIFACETED HAZARDOUS WEATHER THREAT 
TO AFFECT THE REGION TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...

.SYNOPSIS...04 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS SHOWS A COLD FRONT EXTENDING 
FROM THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES SOUTHWESTWARD TO THE LOW MISSISSIPPI 
VALLEY AND EASTERN TEXAS. THIS COLD FRONT GENERALLY HAD AREAS OF 
LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN ALONG THE SOUTHERN PORTION. SOME WEAK 
SOUTHERLY FLOW HAS DEVELOPED ACROSS THE GULF AHEAD OF THE BOUNDARY 
WITH DEWPOINTS WARMING INTO THE UPPER 50S ACROSS SOUTHERN LA...WHILE 
THE AIRMASS BEHIND THIS FRONT IS QUITE COOL AND DRY. 

UPPER AIR DATA FROM 00 UTC AND VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A COMPLEX PATTERN 
ACROSS THE CONUS. THE UPPER TROF DRIVING THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY 
CONTINUES TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH THE UPPER MISSISSIPPI RIVER 
VALLEY. THIS TROF HAS LEFT BEHIND A LOW...NOW CUT OFF...ACROSS THE 
NORTHERN GULF OF CALIFORNIA. THE NEXT UPPER TROF...NOW MOVING ACROSS 
THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF ALASKA AND INTO WESTERN BRITISH 
COLUMBIA...WILL SERVE AS THE "KICKER" TO MOVE THE CUT OFF LOW 
FURTHER EAST TOWARD THE GULF OF MEXICO AND LEAD TO SURFACE LOW 
CYCLOGENESIS ALONG THE EVENTUAL STALLING COLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY. 

&&

.SHORT TERM (TODAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY).
VERY CHALLENGING FORECAST THIS CYCLE AS THE MODELS ARE INDICATING A 
VERY STRONG STORM SYSTEM HEADING OUR WAY BY TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. 
AS INDICATED IN THE HEADLINE...THIS SYSTEM LOOKS TO PRESENT A 
MULTIFACETED HAZARDOUS WEATHER THAT WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY SEVERE 
POTENTIAL...BUT HEAVY RAIN...COASTAL FLOODING AND MARINE HAZARDS. 
FOR A SYSTEM THAT IS BETWEEN 48 AND 60 HOURS AWAY...THERE IS STILL 
SOME SUBTLE DETAILS TO WORK OUT...BUT WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THAT THE 
MODELS ARE DOING A REASONABLY GOOD JOB WITH THE SYNOPTIC DETAILS AND 
DELIVERING SOME RUN TO RUN CONSISTENCY.

RELATIVELY LITTLE DETAIL HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE FIRST 24 HOURS OF 
THE FORECAST AS THE APPROACHING FRONT WILL HAVE LIMITED MOISTURE TO 
WORK WITH AS WELL AS DIMINISHING SYNOPTIC FORCING...SO WILL 
GENERALLY STAY CLOSE TO A BLEND OF THE MAV/MET GUIDANCE HERE AND THE 
INHERITED NUMBERS. 

BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON OUR FOCUS WILL SQUARELY SHIFT TO THE DEVELOPING 
LOW THAT IS PROGGED TO OCCUR ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON OFF THE TEXAS 
COAST AS THE CUT OFF LOW MOVES OUT OF THE TEXAS HILL COUNTRY AND 
INTO THE COASTAL PLAIN. AS CYCLOGENESIS OCCURS ALONG THE STALLED 
FRONTAL BOUNDARY...OUR WINDS WILL SHIFT TO EASTERLY AND BEGIN TO 
SLOWLY STRENGTHEN. 

AS WITH ALL STORM SYSTEMS...ITS THE DETAILS THAT DETERMINE HOW 
EXTENSIVE THE THREAT WILL BE. THE 30/00Z GFS REMAINS THE STRONGEST 
AND FASTER OF THE THREE MODELS EXAMINED. THE SOLUTION OFFERED BY THE 
GFS SHOWS A LOW TRACK THAT ALLOWS OUR REGION TO GET INTO THE WARM 
SECTOR FOR AT LEAST 12 HOURS AND WITH A STRENGTHENING SURFACE 
LOW...INDUCE SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS OVER THE NORTHERN GULF OF 
MEXICO NEARING 45 KNOTS. THE 30/00Z EURO HAS TRENDED FROM ITS 29/12Z 
RUN AS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE 29/12Z AND 30/00Z NAM CLOSER TO THE 
GFS SOLUTION...IF NOT AS INTENSE. THE EURO STILL PLACES OUR REGION 
WITHIN THE WARM SECTOR LONG ENOUGH TO POSE A SEVERE WEATHER THREAT. 

THE SEVERE THREAT...OF ALL THE IMPACTS IS THE MOST UNCERTAIN. WHILE 
THE KINEMATIC FIELDS ARE EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE. IN FACT...0-6 KM 
SHEAR VALUES EASILY EXCEEDS 60 KNOTS ACROSS A LARGE PORTION OF OUR 
FORECAST AREA AS THE LOW NEARS. THE 0-1 KM SHEAR IS EQUALLY 
IMPRESSIVE WITH VALUES EXCEEDING 30 KNOTS. THIS IS IN LARGE PART DUE 
TO 950 MB WINDS PROGGED IN THE GFS TO BE NEAR 60 KNOTS ON WEDNESDAY 
WITH 20 TO 25 KT SURFACE WINDS. WHILE THERE IS SOME SUSPICION THAT 
THE GFS SOLUTION IS A LITTLE OVERDONE...SLIGHTLY LOWER VALUES IN THE 
EURO STILL RESULT IN AN EXTREMELY FAVORABLE KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT. 
HOWEVER...AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE...WE NEED INSTABILITY. THE INITIAL 
CONCERN IS THAT THE INITIAL AIRMASS WILL BE QUITE COOL AND 
DRY...WITH ESSENTIALLY ZERO RETURN FLOW POTENTIAL UNTIL THE LOW IS 
ALMOST HERE. THUS...INSTABILITY FORECASTS IN THE MODELS RANGE FROM 
NEAR ZERO TO AS MUCH AS 1000 J/KG OF SBCAPE. IF THE MORE UNSTABLE 
GFS SOLUTION VERIFIES IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG DAY ON 
WEDNESDAY. IN ANY EVENT...WITH SUCH FAVORABLE KINEMATICS IT WON'T 
TAKE MUCH INSTABILITY TO CREATE SEVERE WEATHER. AND EVEN IF THIS 
INSTABILITY IS ELEVATED (THIS IS VERY LIKELY DUE TO THE DYNAMICAL 
COOLING INDICATED IN THE MODEL SOUNDINGS)...THE FACT THAT WINDS ARE 
SO STRONG...JUST 1000 FT ABOVE THE SURFACE...THAT A DAMAGING WIND 
THREAT COULD DEVELOP EVEN IF THESE WINDS ARE SOMEWHAT REDUCED BY 
MIXING THROUGH A NEAR STABLE LAYER AT THE SURFACE AS A SQUALL LINE 
MOVES THROUGH. 

THE TIMING OF THIS THREAT APPEARS LIMITED TO COASTAL AREAS WEST OF 
THE APALACHICOLA RIVER ON TUESDAY NIGHT AS A WARM FRONT PIVOTS 
NORTHWARD YIELDING A DISCRETE SUPERCELLULAR THREAT. BY WEDNESDAY 
MORNING THE SQUALL LINE SHOULD BE NEARING OUR WESTERN AREAS AND MOVE 
THROUGH THE AREA THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THERE IS ENOUGH CONFIDENCE 
BASED ON THE CLOSENESS OF THE GFS AND EURO SOLUTIONS TO SHOW 80 TO 
90 PERCENT POPS ON WEDNESDAY. 

NOW...FOR THE OTHER THREATS...

HEAVY RAINFALL...THE MODELS SHOW PWATS GOING TO NEAR 2 INCHES AHEAD 
OF THIS SYSTEM. WITH SUCH STRONG SYNOPTIC FORCING ACROSS THE WESTERN 
HALF OF THE REGION...WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE 3 TO 6 INCH 
WIDESPREAD AMOUNTS WITH SLIGHTLY HIGHER TOTALS DUE TO CONVECTIVE 
ELEMENTS NEARING 8 INCHES MAINLY ALONG AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 
ALBANY TO APALACHICOLA. EAST OF THIS AREA...WIDESPREAD 2 TO 4 INCHES 
AMOUNTS WITH TOTALS UP TO 5 TO 6 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE. THIS COULD 
EASILY LEAD TO URBANIZED...AND EVENTUALLY RIVER FLOODING. 

COASTAL FLOODING...THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN. EASTERLY WINDS ON 
TUESDAY NIGHT WILL FOCUS HIGHER WATER LEVELS INTO FRANKLIN COUNTY 
AND THE WESTERN PORTION OF APALACHEE BAY. AS THE WINDS BEGIN TO 
SHIFT TO A MORE SOUTHERLY COMPONENT ON WEDNESDAY MORNING...WATER 
WILL BEGIN TO PILE UP INTO THE BAY. WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE SQUALL 
LINE...MODELS ARE SHOWING SURGE HEIGHTS PEAKING BETWEEN 3 AND 4 
FEET...CENTERED ON AN AREA OF SAINT MARKS DOWN TO CEDAR KEY. THIS 
WILL RESULT IN STORM TIDES NEARING 7 TO 8 FEET ABOVE MEAN LOWER LOW 
WATER. THIS IS SIMILAR OR SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN MAGNITUDE TO LEVELS 
SEEN DURING HURRICANE GUSTAV BACK IN 2007. GIVEN THAT THE 
ASTRONOMICAL TIDE CHARTS FOR APALACHEE BAY SHOW VERY LITTLE TIDAL 
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HIGH AND LOW TIDES ON WEDNESDAY...THE CONCERN 
FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF INUNDATION ALONG THE COASTAL AREAS FROM 
FRANKLIN COUNTY EASTWARD TO DIXIE COUNTY IS QUITE HIGH. THUS...EVEN 
THOUGH IT IS 48 TO 60 HOURS AWAY...WILL GO AHEAD AND ISSUE A COASTAL 
FLOOD WATCH TO HIGHLIGHT THIS SIGNIFICANT FLOOD POTENTIAL LATER THIS 
MORNING. 

IN SUMMARY...A MULTIFACETED HAZARDOUS WEATHER EVENT IS LIKELY TO 
IMPACT THE REGION BEGINNING TUESDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING THROUGH 
WEDNESDAY. HEAVY RAIN AND COASTAL FLOODING LOOK TO BE THE MOST 
CERTAIN IMPACTS AT THIS TIME. SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL IS 
INCREASED...THOUGH THERE REMAINS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN THE EVENTUAL 
THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT ACROSS THE REGION ON WEDNESDAY. EVERYONE 
IS URGED TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS...WATCHES AND WARNINGS FROM 
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ON THIS STORM SYSTEM. 

.LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY).
EVEN THOUGH THERE IS LIKELY TO BE SOME INTERESTING WEATHER DURING 
THE EXTENDED PORTION OF THE FCST...IT APPEARS AS THOUGH I DREW THE 
LONG END OF THE STICK SO SPEAK...AS THE POTENTIAL HAZARDS IN THE 
SHORT TERM (MAINLY TUE NIGHT AND WED) SHOULD FAR OUTWEIGH MOST OF 
THE CONCERNS IN THE LONG TERM PERIOD...ESPECIALLY ONCE THE STRONG 
COLD FRONT SWEEPS THROUGH THE REGION WED NIGHT AND THU MORNING. 
ALTHOUGH WE WILL LIKELY STILL HAVE TO CARRY POPS IN THE FCST FOR WED 
NIGHT AND WINDS MAY STILL BE NEAR GALE FORCE OVER THE WATERS...THE 
SEVERE WX AND COASTAL FLOODING THREAT IS EXPECTED TO BE MOSTLY A 
DAYTIME EVENT WHICH POSSIBLY COULD EXTEND INTO THE EARLY EVENING 
HOURS ACROSS FAR EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE CWA. 
THEREAFTER...ANTICIPATE A GENERALLY POP FREE FCST UNTIL SUN NIGHT OR 
MON AT THE EARLIEST...AND ONLY IF THE 00 UTC SOLUTION OF THE GFS IS 
CORRECT AND THE EARLIER 12 UTC EURO IS INCORRECT. HOWEVER 
...ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL VERY EARLY IN THE BALL GAME...THERE IS A NEW 
POTENTIAL PROBLEM THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH...AND THAT WILL BE 
THE CONCERN FOR SOME VERY LOW TEMPERATURES BEHIND THIS STRONG COLD 
FRONT ON FRIDAY AND ESPECIALLY SATURDAY MORNING (WHERE RADIATIONAL 
COOLING CONDITIONS MAY BE NEAR IDEAL...DESPITE RISING 850 MB TEMPS). 
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED BEFORE OVER PARTS OF THE 
INTERIOR CWA...BUT SOME OF THE RAW MEX GRIDS WOULD ACTUALLY SKIP 
RIGHT OVER A FREEZE...DIRECTLY TO A HARD FREEZE ON SATURDAY MORNING! 
AM OBVIOUSLY NOT READY TO GO THIS FAR OUT ON A LIMB AT THIS TIME 
FRAME...BUT A POSSIBLE LONG DURATION RADIATIONAL FREEZE IS APPEARING 
MORE LIKELY FOR SATURDAY MORNING FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE INTERIOR 
...WITH AN ADVECTION FREEZE POSSIBLE FRIDAY MORNING FOR MUCH OF SE 
AL AND THE NW CORNER OF SW GA. AFTER LOADING THE RAW GFS 40 MODEL 
OUTPUT (WHICH LOOKS FAIRLY DECENT) WILL LIKELY USE A BLEND OF THIS 
WITH THE MEX AND GRIDDED MOS AS A STARTING POINT. ALL INTERESTS ARE 
URGED TO KEEP ABREAST OF THE LATEST FCSTS FROM THE NATIONAL WX 
SERVICE...AS A CHANGE IN LOW TEMPS A FEW DEGREES IN EITHER DIRECTION 
COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON OUTDOOR PLANTS AND EVENT 
PLANNING.  

&&

.AVIATION...ALTHOUGH NOT AS VOLATILE AS IT EXPECTED TO BE FOR OUR 
TAF LOCATIONS DURING THE MID WEEK PERIOD...THE NEXT 24 HRS COULD BE 
A BIT INTERESTING WITH A FEW PERIODS OF SHOWERS AND MVFR CONDITIONS 
AS MOSTLY MID-UPPER LEVEL CLOUDINESS (WITH A FEW POCKETS OF 3-4KFT 
CIGS) PRECEDE THE APPROACH OF WEAK COLD FRONT FROM THE NORTHWEST 
TONIGHT. BEFORE THE BULK OF THE CLOUDINESS ARRIVES...TLH AND VLD MAY 
DROP TO MVFR LEVELS IF ALLOWED TO RADIATE FOR A COUPLE OF MORE HOURS 
TONIGHT BEFORE CONDITIONS LIKELY IMPROVE THEREAFTER. ON MONDAY... 
EXPECT THE BEST CHANCES FOR SHOWERS TO BE TO THE WEST IN THE MID TO 
LATE AFTERNOON AS THE COLD FRONT GRADUALLY LOSES ITS PUNCH AS IT 
PUSHES THROUGH THE REGION...WITH CLEARING SKIES AND VFR CONDITIONS 
EXPECTED TO RETURN TO ALL LOCATIONS BY 06 UTC ON TUE. 

&&

.MARINE...EXPECT TO SEE WINDS BEGIN TO INCREASE TONIGHT OUT OF THE 
NORTH AS THE COLD FRONT MOVES THROUGH THE MARINE AREA. THERE IS SOME 
CONCERN A BRIEF ADVISORY LEVEL WIND COULD BE OBSERVED...BUT FOR NOW 
WILL FORECAST JUST CAUTIONARY CRITERIA. THE BIG STORY STARTS ON 
TUESDAY AFTERNOON. WINDS WILL LIKELY BUILD THROUGH ADVISORY LEVEL TO 
AT LEAST GALE FORCE GUSTS ON WEDNESDAY MORNING. SUSTAINED GALE FORCE 
WINDS ARE POSSIBLE. USED THE LATEST RUN OF THE LOCAL SWAN MODEL TO 
ARRIVE AT WAVE HEIGHTS THAT NEAR 18 FEET WELL OFFSHORE. NEEDLESS TO 
SAY...SURF HEIGHTS AT THE COAST COULD BE VERY HIGH...POSSIBLY AS 
HIGH AS 11 FEET FROM PANAMA CITY TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF SAINT 
GEORGE ISLAND. OF COURSE...RIP CURRENT RISK WILL BE EXTREME DURING 
THIS TIME AND EVERYONE IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO REMAIN OUT OF THE 
SURF. IT IS EXPECTED THAT HIGH SURF ADVISORIES OR WARNINGS WILL 
BECOME NECESSARY BY TUESDAY MORNING. 

&&

.FIRE WEATHER...CLOUDS...LOW LEVEL MOISTURE...AND RAIN CHANCES WILL 
BE ON THE INCREASE FROM WEST TO EAST ACROSS THE CWA TODAY...SO DO 
NOT EXPECT ANY FIRE WX CONCERNS. ALTHOUGH THERE IS EXPECTED TO BE A 
BRIEF WINDOW OF DRIER AIR BEHIND THE WEAK COLD FRONT ON TUESDAY...IT 
IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE DRY ENOUGH TO CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS. THEREAFTER 
...WITH THE APPROACHING POTENTIAL VERY STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM 
FOR THE MID WEEK PERIOD...RH'S SHOULD REMAIN WELL ABOVE CRITICAL 
LEVELS UNTIL PERHAPS FRIDAY AT THE EARLIEST. 

&&

.PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS...
TALLAHASSEE   73  48  66  59  70 /  20  20  20  60  90 
PANAMA CITY   73  50  65  61  71 /  30  20  30  80  90 
DOTHAN        72  41  61  56  68 /  50  10  20  80  90 
ALBANY        72  41  63  55  66 /  40  10  10  70  90 
VALDOSTA      73  47  66  58  73 /  10  20  20  50  90 
CROSS CITY    73  54  70  61  74 /  10  20  20  40  90 
APALACHICOLA  72  53  65  63  70 /  20  20  30  70  90 

&&

.TAE WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
AL...NONE.
GA...NONE.
FL...COASTAL FLOOD WATCH FROM WEDNESDAY MORNING THROUGH THURSDAY 
     MORNING FOR THE FOLLOWING ZONES: DIXIE...FRANKLIN...GULF...
     JEFFERSON...TAYLOR...WAKULLA.

GM...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 1 PM EST TUESDAY TO 1 AM EST
     WEDNESDAY FROM DESTIN EASTWARD TO APALACHICOLA OUT TO 60        
     NAUTICAL MILES. 

     GALE WATCH FROM 1 AM EST WEDNESDAY UNTIL 1 AM EST THURSDAY
     FROM DESTIN EASTWARD TO APALACHICOLA OUT TO 60 NAUTICAL MILES. 

     SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 7 PM EST TUESDAY TO 7 AM EST 
     WEDNESDAY FROM APALACHICOLA EASTWARD TO THE SUWANNEE 
     RIVER ENTRANCE OUT TO 60 NAUTICAL MILES. 

     GALE WATCH FROM 7 AM EST WEDNESDAY TO 1 AM EST THURSDAY FROM
     APALACHICOLA EASTWARD TO THE SUWANNEE RIVER ENTRANCE OUT TO
     60 NAUTICAL MILES. 

&&

$$

LONG TERM/AVIATION/FIRE WEATHER...GOULD
REST OF DISCUSSION...GODSEY


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