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Hagedorns Mills, New York, United States
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 Lat: 43.08N, Lon: 74.1W
Wx Zone: NYZ050 ICAO Used: KALB
Area Discussion for County Warning Area ALY:
FXUS61 KALY 300915
AFDALY

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ALBANY NY
415 AM EST MON NOV 30 2009

.SYNOPSIS...
A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL TRACK ACROSS NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND TODAY. 
A COLD FRONT TRAILING FROM THIS LOW WILL MOVE ACROSS THE REGION THIS 
MORNING...PRECEDED AND ACCOMPANIED BY RAIN SHOWERS. MUCH COLDER AIR 
WILL FOLLOW IN THE WAKE OF THIS FRONT FOR TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY. 
A MORE POTENT STORM SYSTEM SHOULD BRING A SOAKING RAIN TO THE REGION 
WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY.

&&

.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 PM THIS EVENING/...
AS OF 4 AM EST...SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS RAIN SHOWERS CONTINUE TO 
AFFECT THE SW ADIRONDACKS AND EXTREME WESTERN MOHAWK VALLEY...WITH 
SHOWERS TAPERING TO SPRINKLES ACROSS VALLEY REGIONS FURTHER E. AS A 
COLD FRONT APPROACHES FROM THE W LATER THIS MORNING...AND UPPER 
LEVEL DYNAMICS BECOME MORE FAVORABLE WITH A POTENT JET MAX 
APPROACHING FROM THE SW...WE EXPECT THE AREAL COVERAGE OF RAIN 
SHOWERS TO INCREASE FROM W TO E...WITH THE GREATEST CONCENTRATION 
EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHERN AREAS...FROM THE SE CATSKILLS INTO THE MID 
HUDSON VALLEY...NW CT AND SW MA LATER THIS MORNING INTO AT LEAST THE 
EARLY AFTERNOON HOURS...AS THIS REGION SHOULD LIE WITHIN THE LEFT 
EXIT REGION OF AFOREMENTIONED JET MAX...WHICH IS MORE FAVORABLE FOR 
ASSOCIATED LOW/MID LEVEL ATMOSPHERIC LIFT AND RAINFALL.

ONCE THE FRONT MOVES FURTHER S/E...SUBSIDENCE SHOULD ALLOW FOR SOME 
CLEARING ACROSS N/W AREAS LATE THIS AFTERNOON...POSSIBLY REACHING 
THE CAPITAL REGION PRIOR TO SUNSET.

AS FOR MAX TEMPS TODAY...VERY TRICKY GIVEN THE INITIAL WARMTH THIS 
MORNING...WITH TEMPS ALREADY APPROACHING OR SLIGHTLY EXCEEDING 50. 
ONCE THE RAIN DEVELOPS...WET BULBING SHOULD COOL TEMPS A BIT INTO 
THE MID/UPPER 40S...WHICH ARE THE FORECAST MAXES AFTER 12Z. 
HOWEVER...TEMPS SHOULD FALL DURING THE AFTERNOON AS COLD ADVECTION 
INTENSIFIES...FALLING INTO AND THROUGH THE 30S ACROSS HIGHER 
ELEVATIONS N AND W OF ALBANY...AND INTO THE LOWER 40S WITHIN THE 
CAPITAL REGION AND ADJACENT VALLEY REGIONS. ACROSS SOUTHERN 
AREAS...A PERIOD OF STEADIER RAIN SHOULD LIMIT MAXES FROM REACHING 
ABOVE THE MID 40S. HOWEVER...SHOULD RAIN END ANY SOONER THAN 
CURRENTLY EXPECTED...WARMER MAXES COULD OCCUR.

&&

.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...|
TONIGHT...MAIN AREA OF PRECIPITATION SHOULD SHIFT S/E OF REGION 
SHORTLY AFTER SUNSET. THEREAFTER...A PERIOD OF CLEARING IS EXPECTED 
AS A WEAK SHORTWAVE RIDGE BUILDS EASTWARD ACROSS THE REGION. 
HOWEVER...SOME UPSLOPE CLOUDS...AND PERHAPS FLURRIES ARE POSSIBLE 
ACROSS HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF SOUTHERN VT/WESTERN MA THIS EVENING. 
THEN...AFTER MIDNIGHT...WITH THE APPROACH OF A SHORTWAVE FROM THE 
W...SNOW SHOWERS/FLURRIES ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE WESTERN 
ADIRONDACKS...AND PERHAPS THE WESTERN MOHAWK VALLEY AND SCHOHARIE 
VALLEY TOWARD DAYBREAK. ELSEWHERE...AFTER A PERIOD OF MOSTLY CLEAR 
SKIES...CLOUDS SHOULD INCREASE FROM W TO E TOWARD DAYBREAK GIVEN THE 
APPROACH OF THE SHORTWAVE. GIVEN THE EXPECTATION FOR A PERIOD OF 
CLEARING...AND LIGHT WINDS ASSOCIATED WITH SHORTWAVE RIDGE PASSING 
THROUGH...WE HAVE SIDED WITH THE COLDER MET MOS NUMBERS...WHICH ARE 
GENERALLY IN THE MID/UPPER 20S...EXCEPT UPPER TEENS TO LOWER 20S 
ACROSS NORTHERN AREAS.

TUE...AS A SHORTWAVE AND ASSOCIATED MID LEVEL COLD POOL CROSS THE 
REGION...WE EXPECT SKIES TO BECOME MOSTLY CLOUDY...ALONG WITH 
SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS OF RAIN AND SNOW ACROSS THE REGION. IN 
FACT...SEVERAL INDICATORS HINT AT POSSIBLE WINDEX ACTIVITY...MAINLY 
THE APPROACH OF THE TROUGH...COMBINED WITH RH GREATER THAN 50 
PERCENT IN THE LOW/MID LEVELS...INCREASING LI/S...AND STEEPENING LOW 
LEVEL LAPSE RATES. THIS SHOULD SUPPORT NUMEROUS SNOW SHOWERS ACROSS 
THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE ADIRONDACKS...AND THE WEST FACING 
SLOPES OF THE SOUTHERN GREEN MOUNTAINS...WHERE 1-3 INCHES OF SNOW 
COULD OCCUR. ELSEWHERE...A SLIGHTLY WARMER BOUNDARY LAYER MAY ALLOW 
FOR RAIN AND SNOW SHOWERS...AND WITH A DOWNSLOPING W FLOW...WILL 
SCALE BACK POPS INTO THE SLIGHT CHC RANGE. AS FOR MAX TEMPS...HAVE 
SIDED CLOSER TO THE COOLER MET MOS...WITH MAINLY LOWER 40S WITHIN 
THE VALLEYS...AND 30S ACROSS MOST HIGHER ELEVATIONS.

TUE NT...SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS WILL REMAIN POSSIBLE ACROSS 
FAVORABLE UPSLOPE AREAS OF SOUTHERN VT/WESTERN MA...AND WITHIN THE 
SOUTHERN ADIRONDACKS EARLY BEFORE GRADUALLY TAPERING OFF LATE. 
HOWEVER...LOW CLOUDS COULD LINGER THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT ACROSS 
CENTRAL AND NORTHERN AREAS GIVEN RAPIDLY LOWERING INVERSION LEVELS 
AND RESIDUAL LAKE MOISTURE BECOMING TRAPPED UNDERNEATH. WILL 
THEREFORE INDICATE MINS A BIT WARMER ACROSS CENTRAL AND NORTHERN 
AREAS THAN MON NT/TUE AM...SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE MAV MOS IN SOME 
AREAS...WITH MINS MAINLY RANGING FROM THE MID 20S ACROSS THE 
DACKS...TO THE UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S ELSEWHERE.

WED...HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE WILL MOVE E ACROSS THE REGION...AND OFF TO 
OUR E BY LATE AFTERNOON. HOWEVER...MID LEVEL WARM ADVECTION WILL 
INTENSIFY...IN RESPONSE TO DEEPENING TROUGH TO OUR W. THIS SHOULD 
ALLOW AT LEAST HIGH/MID LEVEL CLOUDS TO INCREASE BY AFTERNOON...WITH 
ONLY A BRIEF PERIOD OF SUNSHINE EXPECTED FROM MID MORNING INTO EARLY 
AFTERNOON. THUS...HAVE INDICATED COOLER MAXES...IN LINE WITH THE MET 
MOS...WITH FORECAST MAXES GENERALLY IN THE MID 40S ACROSS 
VALLEYS...AND UPPER 30S/LOWER 40S FOR HIGHER TERRAIN. SOME LIGHT 
RAIN COULD DEVELOP TOWARD EVENING ACROSS SOUTHERN AREAS...SHOULD THE 
AFOREMENTIONED WARM ADVECTION BECOME EVEN STRONGER THAN CURRENTLY 
EXPECTED...AND THUS WE HAVE INDICATED SLIGHT CHC POPS FOR THESE 
REGIONS.

&&

.LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY/...
FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY...THE DETERMINISTIC LONG RANGE 
GUIDANCE /ECMWF...GFS...CANADIAN GGEM/ ALL INDICATE A RATHER POTENT 
STORM SYSTEM LIFTING NORTHEAST FROM THE TENNESSEE VALLEY WEDNESDAY 
EVENING INTO WESTERN OR CENTRAL NEW YORK THURSDAY MORNING AND INTO 
THE CANADIAN MARITIMES THURSDAY EVENING. WHILE THE EXACT TRACK OF 
THE SYSTEM REMAINS UNCERTAIN...IT DOES APPEAR THAT SYSTEM WILL TRACK 
TO THE WEST OF FA ALLOWING PLENTY OF WARM AIR TO RUSH IN WEDNESDAY 
NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING SUCH THAT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE PCPN 
WILL BE IN THE FORM OF RAIN WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE GRIDS FOR 
WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY. SOME OF THIS PCPN COULD BE 
SIGNIFICANT AS FLOW FROM GULF APPEARS TO BE OPEN WITH ALL MODELS 
INDICATING THAT H5 CLOSED LOW OPENS AS IT LIFTS FROM MID MISSISSIPPI 
VALLEY WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES AND WEAKENS AS 
AS H5 LOW OVER WESTERN GREAT LAKES BECOMES THE DOMINANT FEATURE. AND 
THE ENSEMBLES CONTINUE TO INDICATE A STORM SYSTEM INTERACTING WITH 
THE SUBTROPICAL JET STREAM WILL APPROACH FROM THE TN AND OH VALLEYS 
WED NIGHT. THE AMOUNT OF GULF MOISTURE THAT IS TAPPED AND THE EXACT 
TRACK OF THE INTENSIFYING LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IS STILL UNCERTAIN AND 
THIS COUPLED WITH DAY 4 FOR MAIN ACTIVITY PRECLUDES MENTION IN THE 
HWO AT THIS TIME...BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE MONITORED CLOSELY. MREF 
PLUME FOR KALB HAS ALL RAIN WITH GENERALLY BTWN 1 AND 2 INCHES OF 
QPF WITH A MEAN OF AROUND AN INCH AND A QUARTER. FOR NOW HAVE LIKELY 
POPS WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING AND THEN TAPER TO CHANCE 
POPS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS DRY SLOT EXPECTED TO MOVE ACROSS FA WITH 
LOW LIFTING INTO CANADIAN MARITIMES. HAVE LOWS WEDNESDAY NIGHT IN 
THE 30S WITH HIGHS ON THURSDAY IN THE UPPER 30S NORTHWEST TO MID 50S 
SOUTHEAST. DID NOT USE A NON DIURNAL TREND THIS FAR OUT ALTHOUGH IT 
IS POSSIBLE THAT TEMPS MAY DROP THURSDAY AFTERNOON. 
 
THU NIGHT INTO SAT...IN THE WAKE OF THE SURFACE LOW STRONG COLD AIR 
ADVECTION TAKES PLACE WITH FAIRLY STRONG CYCLONIC FLOW AND AS A 
RESULT SOME LAKE EFFECT SNOWS ARE POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE 
WESTERN ADIRONDACKS AND NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE MOHAWK VALLEY. THIS 
LOOKS TO BE A FAIRLY PROLONGED LAKE EFFECT EVENT AS LAKE ONTARIO 
TEMPS WILL LIKELY STILL BE IN THE MID 40S AND H8 TEMPS LOOK TO DROP 
TO AROUND -10 C LATE THURSDAY NIGHT AND REMAIN AROUND -10 C ON 
FRIDAY AND DROP -12 OR -13 C ON FRIDAY NIGHT BEFORE RISING SLIGHTLY 
ON SATURDAY. 

SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY...THE LOW LEVEL FLOW BECOMES ANTICYCLONIC 
WHICH SHOULD BRING AN ABRUPT END TO THE LAKE EFFECT ACTIVITY AND 
ALLOW TEMPS TO MODERATE AS RIDGING BRIEFLY BUILDS INTO THE REGION 
BEFORE ANOTHER SHORT WAVE APPROACHES.

FOR THE PERIOD FROM WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY EXPECT PCPN TO BE 
WELL ABOVE NORMAL WITH TEMPS SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL.

&&

.AVIATION /09Z MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY/...
VFR CONDITIONS WILL GRADUALLY GIVE WAY TO MVFR CONDITIONS DURING THE 
REMAINDER OF THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD AS SHOWERS OVERSPREAD THE UPPER 
HUDSON VALLEY WHICH WILL IMPACT KGFL AND KALB. KPOU IS LIKELY TO 
REMAIN VFR DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD WITH SHOWERS 
NOT ARRIVING UNTIL BETWEEN 10Z AND 12Z. TAF SITES LOOK TO GO IFR 
AFTER COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE FOR SEVERAL HOURS WHICH IS EXPECTED 
AROUND 13Z AT KGFL...14Z AT KALB AND 16Z AT KPOU. THIS WILL BE 
FOLLOWED BY IMPROVING CONDITIONS TO VFR AND EVENTUALLY CLEARING 
EARLY THIS EVENING AT KGFL AND KALB WITH STRATOCUMULUS VFR CEILINGS 
AT KPOU THROUGH THE END OF THE TAF PERIOD AT KPOU.

LIGHT WINDS WILL BECOME SOUTH AT 4 TO 8 KTS AT TAF SITES DURING
THE REMAINDER OF THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD AND THEN SHIFT TO W-SW
AROUND 5 TO 8 KTS WITH COLD FRONTAL PASSAGE BETWEEN 13Z AND 16Z
AND EVENTUALLY NORTHWEST AT 4 TO 8 KTS BETWEEN 16Z AND 22Z.
 
OUTLOOK... 
MON NIGHT-WED...VFR. NO SIG WX. 
WED NIGHT-THU...MVFR-IFR. RA LIKELY.
FRI...VFR...CHC -SHRA/-SHSN.

&&

.HYDROLOGY...
NO WIDESPREAD HYDRO PROBLEMS THROUGH WEDNESDAY...WITH JUST LIGHT WPF 
AMOUNTS EXPECTED TODAY WITH THE PASSAGE OF A COLD FRONT...WITH TOTAL 
QPF RANGING FROM A TENTH TO A THIRD OF AN INCH...HIGHEST ACROSS THE 
SOUTHERN ADIRONDACKS.
  
HIGH PRESSURE WILL YIELD MAINLY DRY WEATHER TUESDAY THROUGH 
WEDNESDAY...EXCEPT FOR SOME LIGHT LAKE EFFECT SNOW WHICH WILL BE 
MAINLY CONFINED TO THE WESTERN ADIRONDACKS LATE MONDAY NIGHT INTO 
TUESDAY EVENING.

A STORM SYSTEM APPROACHING FROM THE OH VALLEY WEDNESDAY NIGHT MAY 
BRING A SOAKING RAINFALL TO THE HSA WED NT INTO THU...WITH RAINFALL 
AMOUNTS RANGING FROM A HALF AN INCH TO AN INCH AND A HALF. 

FOR DETAILS ON SPECIFIC AREA RIVERS AND LAKES...INCLUDING
OBSERVED AND FORECAST RIVER STAGES AND LAKE ELEVATIONS...PLEASE
VISIT THE ADVANCED HYDROLOGIC PREDICTION SERVICE /AHPS/ GRAPHS ON
OUR WEBSITE.

&&

.ALY WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
CT...NONE.
NY...NONE.
MA...NONE.
VT...NONE.

&&

$$
SYNOPSIS...KL
NEAR TERM...KL
SHORT TERM...KL
LONG TERM...11
AVIATION...11
HYDROLOGY...KL/WASULA


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