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El Monte, California, United States (91731)
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 Lat: 34.07N, Lon: 118.03W
Wx Zone: CAZ548 ICAO Used: KMWS
Area Discussion for County Warning Area LOX:
FXUS66 KLOX 071825
AFDLOX

SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOS ANGELES/OXNARD CA
1025 AM PST MON DEC 7 2009

UPDATED AVIATION DISCUSSION

.SYNOPSIS...
A COLD LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL BRING WINDS...RAIN...AND LOW 
ELEVATION SNOW TO THE AREA TODAY THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING. A SERIES 
OF SYSTEMS WILL BRING MORE CHANCES OF RAIN TO THE AREA FROM THURSDAY 
THROUGH THE WEEKEND. TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN WELL BELOW SEASONAL 
NORMALS THROUGH THE WEEK...COLDEST TODAY AND TUESDAY.

&&

.SHORT TERM (TODAY-WED)...
RAIN HAS ARRIVED ON SCHEDULE THIS MORNING. 12Z MODELS CONTINUE TO 
SHIFT THE EMPHASIS OF THE HEAVIER RAIN SOUTH AND EAST OF LA COUNTY 
WITH THE UPPER JET SO IT'S LOOKING MORE AND MORE THAT OUR CWA WILL 
BE SPARED THE HEAVIEST RAIN THAT PREVIOUS RUNS HAD SHOWN FURTHER 
NORTH. THE FIRST BATCH OF RAIN IS MOVING THROUGH NOW WITH GENERALLY 
LIGHT TO LOCALLY MODERATE RATES (MOSTLY .10-.20 IN/HR). FOR AREAS 
SOUTH OF PT CONCEPTION THERE WILL LIKELY BE A 2-4 HOUR DECREASE IN 
RAINFALL RATES AND AREAL COVERAGE LATER THIS MORNING INTO EARLY 
AFTERNOON BEFORE THE COLD FRONT ARRIVES. THIS BREAK WILL BE MINIMAL 
FOR THE CENTRAL COAST AS THE LEADING EDGE OF THE FRONT IS ALREADY 
MOVING INTO SLO COUNTY AT THIS TIME. WILL LEAVE THE FLOOD WATCH UP 
FOR THE LA COUNTY BURN AREAS AS RAINFALL RATES COULD BRIEFLY EXCEED 
USGS THRESHOLDS WHEN THE COLD FRONT ARRIVES LATER THIS AFTERNOON, 
BUT OVERALL RAINFALL AMOUNTS WITH THIS STORM WILL NOT BE AS HIGH AS 
EARLIER THOUGHT. REFERENCE THE LATEST QPS PRODUCT (TO BE UPDATED 
SHORTLY) FOR MORE INFO ON EXPECTED STORM TOTALS. REMAINDER OF 
FORECAST LOOKS GOOD. HEAVY SNOW STILL EXPECTED FOR THE GRAPEVINE AND 
AREAS NEAR THE KERN COUNTY LINE TONIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY WITH LOW 
SNOW LEVELS. GUSTY WINDS BEHIND THE FRONT WILL LIKELY REQUIRE WIND 
ADVISORY FOR MANY AREAS THIS EVENING.

***FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSION***

THE WEATHER BEHIND THE COLD FRONT WILL BE INTERESTING. BY 06Z 537DM 
THKNS ARE FORECAST THROUGH HALF OF THE COUNTY WITH 543 DM THKNS OVER 
KLAX. THIS AMOUNT OF COLD AIR ADVECTION WILL BRING IN QUITE A BIT OF 
GUSTY NW WINDS AND WIND ADVISORIES MAY WELL BE NEEDED FOR MANY AREAS 
OF SLO AND SBA COUNTY. NO WIND PRODUCTS FOR THE MTNS OF LA AND VTA 
COUNTY SINCE THE WINDS ARE WRAPPED UP IN THE WINTER STORM WARNING 
BUT GUSTS TO 55 MPH WILL OCCUR BEHIND THE FRONT. THESE KINDS OF 
THKNS WILL LOWER THE SNOW LEVELS TO 2000 FEET OR LOWER. BUT SINCE IT 
IS QUITE DRY BEHIND THE FRONT THE AMOUNT OF SNOW FALL WILL BE 
LIMITED AND MOSTLY CONFINED TO THE NORTHERN SLOPES AND INTERIOR VLYS 
AS WELL AS THE FOOTHILLS OF THE ANTELOPE VLY. LOW TEMPS AND 
POTENTIAL FROST AND FREEZE ISSUES WILL BE A MAJOR CONCERN TONIGHT 
GUSTY WINDS WILL KEEP MOST TEMPS EVERYWHERE EXCEPT THE SOUTHERN 
COASTAL ZONES IN THE MID 30S BUT ANY WIND SHELTERED AREAS COULD 
EASILY SEE MIN TEMPS IN THE MID TO UPPER 20S.

TUESDAY WILL BE PARTLY CLOUDY OR EVEN MOSTLY SUNNY BEHIND THE 
FRONT...BUT IT WILL BE COLD DESPITE SEEING SOME SUNSHINE MAX TEMPS 
WILL BE ABOUT 15 DEGREES COLDER THAN NORMAL. CLOUDS AND SNOW SHOWERS 
WILL CONTINUE ON THE NORTH SLOPES IN THE MORNING BEFORE DISSIPATING 
IN THE AFTERNOON.

WEDNESDAY WILL BE A DECENT IF NOT SOME WHAT COOL DAY. A SMALL RIDGE 
POPS UP AND TEMPS WILL RISE ABOUT 8 DEGREES FROM TUESDAYS VALUES. 
SKIES WILL BE PARTLY CLOUDY AS MID AND HIGH LEVEL CLOUDS FROM AN 
APPROACHING STORM DRIFT THROUGH THE RIDGE.

.LONG TERM (THU-SUN)...
THE GFS AND THE EC ARE IN GOOD SYNOPTIC AGREEMENT FOR THE EXTENDED 
PERIOD BUT DISAGREE SOMEWHAT ON THE TIMING...LOCATION AND AMOUNTS OF 
RAIN. BUT BOTH AGREE THAT THE RAIN DOOR IS OPEN. BOTH MDLS AGREE 
THAT THE RIDGE WILL BREAK DOWN INTO A WESTERLY FLOW PATTERN THURSDAY 
AND THAT THIS PATTERN WILL LAST THROUGH SUNDAY WITH PERHAPS A LITTLE 
WAVE MOVING THROUGH SUNDAY.

THE EC FORECAST LIGHT RAIN THU AND FRI WITH HEAVIER SATURDAY AND 
SUNDAY. THE GFS BRINGS LIGHT RAIN INTO THE AREA THURSDAY AND THEN 
NOTHING ON FRIDAY. A LITTLE HEAVIER RAIN ON SATURDAY AND THEN 
FORECASTS A MAJOR RAIN EVENT SUNDAY.

THINK WE CAN SAFELY SAY THAT WE WILL HAVE A LIGHT RAIN EVENT 
THURSDAY WITH MAYBE A QUARTER TO A HALF INCH OF RAIN. SNOW LEVELS 
WILL BE HIGHER THAN TODAYS STORM.

LEFT A CHANCE OF RAIN IN FOR FRIDAY. WILL JUST GIVE CHC RAIN FOR THE 
WEEKEND SEEING HOW FAR OUT THE FCST IS AND THE MDLS PROPENSITY TO 
CHANGE A FORECAST MAJOR STORM INTO A WEAKER ONE WITH TIME. BUT IT 
WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THESE SYSTEMS PLAY OUT.

&&

.AVIATION...07/1820Z.
CONFIDENT IN RAINY AND WINDY TAF PERIOD. MODERATE TO LOW CONFIDENCE 
ON EXACT TIMING OF HEAVIEST RAIN...BUT TEMPO PERIODS SHOULD COVER 
IT. MOSTLY MVFR CATS THROUGH THIS EVENING...WITH IFR CATS FOR A FEW 
HOURS DURING HEAVIEST RAINS. MODERATE TO HIGH CONFIDENCE ON WIND 
SPEEDS...AND LLWS MAY BE A CONCERN...WILL UPDATE TAFS IF REPORTS 
START COMING IN. TIMING OF WIND ACCELERATION IS PLUS OR MINUS 3 
HOURS.

KLAX...MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN OCCASIONAL IFR CATS WITH HEAVIEST RAIN 
BETWEEN 21-02Z...OTHERWISE MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN MVFR CATS 
PREVAILING THROUGH THIS EVENING. EAST TO SOUTHEAST WINDS WILL STICK 
AROUND 10 KTS THROUGH ABOUT 22Z...THEN SHIFT TO THE WEST BY 02Z. 
WEST WINDS WILL BE STRONG WITH GUSTS IN THE 30KT RANGE. LLWS MAY BE 
A CONCERN WITH THE WEST WINDS.  THROUGH LOW CONFIDENCE IN EXACT 
CIG/VIS FCST DURING THE RAIN AS BOTH VALUES WILL CHANGE FROM ONE 
MOMENT TO THE NEXT. EXPECT IFR TO LOW MVFR CONDS. EAST WINDS AROUND 
10 KTS ARE LIKELY DURING THE MORNING WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF 
ARRIVING BY 12Z.

KBUR...MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN IFR CATS WITH HEAVIEST RAIN BETWEEN 
21-02Z...OTHERWISE MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN MVFR CATS PREVAILING 
THROUGH THIS EVENING. MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN NORTHWEST WINDS GUSTING 
INTO THE 20KT RANGE AFTER ABOUT 03Z...WITH LLWS POSSIBLY A CONCERN.

&&

.LOX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
WINTER STORM WARNING (SEE LAXWSWLOX).
HIGH WIND WATCH (SEE LAXNPWLOX).
FLASH FLOOD WATCH (SEE LAXFFALOX).
GALE WARNING (SEE LAXMWWLOX).
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY (SEE LAXMWWLOX).
HIGH RIP CURRENT RISK (SEE LAXSRFLOX).
MARINE WEATHER STATEMENT (SEE LAXMWSLOX).

&&

$$

PUBLIC...WOFFORD/RORKE
AVIATION...KITTELL
SYNOPSIS...ASR

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